tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post1453253325062688412..comments2024-03-01T21:01:15.174-06:00Comments on Biblical Christianity: Phil Johnson's experience: absolutely infuriatingDJPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-49290089839173449342011-04-20T05:49:34.908-05:002011-04-20T05:49:34.908-05:00@ beach birdie, the news story about the 3-year ol...@ beach birdie, the news story about the 3-year old who was videotaped kicking and screaming (back in Nov./Dec.) did have a suggestion your husband might try. The reporter said that each boarding pass has a number code, and if you have been pre-selected for an "enhanced" search, the code will be there. He said you can call the airlines and ask to have the code removed. (If your husband tries it and it works, please come back and let us know!) I'm still sceptical.Merrilee Stevensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12770625841767761025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-82489200553896011302011-04-19T15:31:11.413-05:002011-04-19T15:31:11.413-05:00@Lynda O: I think a lot of people fall into Carlo...@Lynda O: I think a lot of people fall into Carlo's position that the backscatter machines aren't a big deal and don't feel they offer a detailed enough view to be objectionable. Many don't know that some places give objectionable searches to 4 year olds. I think a lot of people are just ill-informed about the situation and about government bureacracy in general.<br /><br />@beachbirdie: I didn't say it would be a cure-all, but in a border line case it might make all the difference.<br /><br />@merrilee: I'm so sorry about your plans. I hope they work out next year. Incidentally, I don't think that financial incentives mean much to liberals. First, they don't like profit. Second, if you read their propaganda such as rules for radicals, they want us not to be mobile. They want us not to travel. They can control us better that way. Seriously...read $20 Per Gallon gas or Rules for Radicals. At some point Christians and other conservatives are going to have to make a choice. Submit or go with Stan's suggestion.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285043747501470199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-76801887440261317332011-04-18T21:58:58.043-05:002011-04-18T21:58:58.043-05:00These gropebots have the sanction of the State. Pl...<em>These gropebots have the sanction of the State. Plus, if we tick them off, they can fine us up to $10,000.<br /><br />Or arrest us.</em><br /><br />When the Ministry of Truth fails to convince, the Ministry of Love isn't far behind...threegirldadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10514416693800430357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-20773631257180604462011-04-18T19:31:50.531-05:002011-04-18T19:31:50.531-05:00Argh....caught in the act of merely skimming Frida...Argh....caught in the act of merely skimming Friday's H & T : ( My apologies...we are in the throes of baseball season here with 4-5 games a week. Grueling. <br /><br />@ Beach Birdie...you might consider contacting your congressman. If enough of these folks keep hearing complaints from constituents, maybe they'll start to respond. This is an issue that upsets people on both sides. <br /><br />I think sending complaints like Phil's - loads and loads of them - to members of Congress could make a difference. People complaining to TSA should be encouraged to CC their Congressman and Senators.Paula Bolyardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05567777774272590296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-54035031802754349322011-04-18T17:23:15.109-05:002011-04-18T17:23:15.109-05:00My husband flies every week for work and travels t...My husband flies every week for work and travels to larger cities. He usually spends many months traveling to the same city until his projects are done.<br /><br />He has been singled out for body-scans and scrutiny 8 out of the last 12 weeks. His cheerful attitude has not helped him one bit.<br /><br />Someone tell me what we are supposed to do? There is no work near home that he can do, and we cannot afford to move.<br /><br />I am beyond frustrated, and like Phil, seeing red at this point.beachbirdiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15930167451189674363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-24209284760550459372011-04-18T14:18:16.491-05:002011-04-18T14:18:16.491-05:00Yes ma'am. I went on and on about that very in...Yes ma'am. I went on and on about that very incident in last Friday's HT.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-22168451877900628852011-04-18T14:16:55.916-05:002011-04-18T14:16:55.916-05:00I saw several news reports this weekend about a si...I saw several news reports this weekend about a six-year-old girl who was groped and drug tested by an enthusiastic TSA agent. The woman went up and down both legs and stuck her hand in her pants. Somehow the parents managed to get it on video.<br /><br />The mother, among other things, asked how she was supposed to teach her child about appropriate boundaries with strangers touching her body when such groping is becoming commonplace in our lives. <br /><br />DJP, your quote about the founders is right on.Paula Bolyardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05567777774272590296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-61560847822992204942011-04-18T11:14:21.630-05:002011-04-18T11:14:21.630-05:00Thanks to your dear and only daughter for that lis...Thanks to your dear and only daughter for that list. The airports I'm flying out of both ways do not have full-body scanners--good to know. Thanks also to Rachael for the reminder that prayer and preparation is the way to go. As a non-USian grandmother who just wants to get to her kids and grandkids, I'll endure whatever humiliation I'm forced to endure, but I'm praying that I'll be protected from it.GrammaMackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05995984274746770864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-47019084742828675122011-04-18T10:45:18.627-05:002011-04-18T10:45:18.627-05:00I'm thankful, and at the same time grieved, by...I'm thankful, and at the same time grieved, by the recent events, because it has helped us decide about our summer plans. I was considering traveling from PA to OR this summer with my 4 kids while my husband travels for work. Some of my family members haven't even met my youngest two (who are 4 and 2), and we were really looking forward to going. But after a tearful discussion with my husband, we came to the conclusion that we cannot afford to purchase 5 tickets and then not fly if we were selected. It's a rather expensive game of roulette. I might feel somewhat differently if my kids were old enough to decide for themselves if they wanted to undergo the scrutiny or not, but they are too young. So instead we plan to save the money we would have spent, and purchase a "new" van for us to travel there next summer, Lord willing.<br /><br />However, I also e-mailed my senator and state representative to ask what they are doing about it, and I plan to contact the airlines to inform them of the business they are losing because of the TSA's practices. My hope is that there will be some changes, but even so, I don't imagine the changes will happen quickly.<br /><br />I'm really curious if there has been a noticeable increase in Amtrack ticket sales and decline in airlines ticket sales since the TSA has started implementing this. Considering the number of bombings on trains in other countries, it seems only a matter of time before TSA goes there, too. We did consider taking Amtrak, but it's just not affordable for us to travel so far.<br /><br />I don't consider myself a political activist, but I do think I should let my elected officials hear from me, and the airlines need to know why they are losing my money, so they might get involved in a solution as well.<br /><br />(I apologize if this is a re-post. I'm Having "issues".)Merrilee Stevensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12770625841767761025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-57366291640442343522011-04-18T09:52:34.620-05:002011-04-18T09:52:34.620-05:00I'm thankful, and at the same time grieved, by...I'm thankful, and at the same time grieved, by the recent events, because it has helped us decide about our summer plans. I was considering traveling from PA to OR this summer with my 4 kids while my husband travels for work. Some of my family members haven't even met my youngest two (who are 4 and 2), and we were really looking forward to going. But after a tearful discussion with my husband, we came to the conclusion that we cannot afford to purchase 5 tickets and then not fly if we were selected. It's a rather expensive game of roulette. I might feel somewhat differently if my kids were old enough to decide for themselves if they wanted to undergo the scrutiny or not, but they are too young. So instead we plan to save the money we would have spent, and purchase a "new" van for us to travel there next summer, Lord willing.<br /><br />However, I also e-mailed my senator and state representative to ask what they are doing about it, and I plan to contact the airlines to inform them of the business they are losing because of the TSA's practices. My hope is that there will be some changes, but even so, I don't imagine the changes will happen quickly.<br /><br />I'm really curious if there has been a noticeable increase in Amtrack ticket sales and decline in airlines ticket sales since the TSA has started implementing this. Considering the number of bombings on trains in other countries, it seems only a matter of time before TSA goes there, too. We did consider taking Amtrak, but it's just not affordable for us to travel so far.<br /><br />I don't consider myself a political activist, but I do think I should let my elected officials hear from me, and the airlines need to know why they are losing my money, so they might get involved in a solution as well.Merrilee Stevensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12770625841767761025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-15518685489951547562011-04-18T09:47:56.711-05:002011-04-18T09:47:56.711-05:00As far as comparing Daniel and Esther vs. TSA: ac...As far as comparing Daniel and Esther vs. TSA: actually Esther's case doesn't really apply, as she had already violated a few of the Jewish laws before she reached the point of going to the king without invitation. Daniel was forced into his situation, not exactly the same as American's travel options. <br /><br />However, I do see the similarity between our constitutional rights as citizens, and Paul's actions as in Acts 16 and 22 -- he had the right as a citizen to not submit to the beatings, and sometimes he invoked that legal right. Even so, he still experienced some of the persecution, such as being confined in the first place, and receiving the beatings in Acts 16 before they let him go.<br /><br />Re Amtrak: yeah, I think I would have liked to travel that way if the decision were mine... but the person I'm traveling with is like most Americans and doesn't understand what the big deal is -- and just thinks that we (here on this blog) are weird. My choice was either airline or driving, and so now I'm especially praying for physical endurance to do all that driving. But from the news about Amtrak and that incident in Georgia, it sounds like Amtrak will not always be a TSA-free place either.Lynda Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01755739519555633760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-29323244498674901352011-04-18T09:35:53.566-05:002011-04-18T09:35:53.566-05:00Dan,
Yes, you are understanding me correctly. So...Dan, <br /><br />Yes, you are understanding me correctly. Sorry for the lack of clarity, and on re-reading my earlier remark, I can understand how my comment could have been construed otherwise, especially the part about "proles" and "sheep." I am not advocating violence in response to this situation, and believe it would be unbiblical to respond in that fashion, unless something was being done to physically harm a child or family member. The wrath I am talking about should be expressed verbally (albeit righteously), and in the ballot box. <br /><br />HSAT, I do often struggle from a theological perspective on the question of where and when it is permissible to engage in a physical response. There are those who believe the American Revolutionary War was unbiblical rebellion. The other side will argue that Romans 13 contains a reverse logic, i.e. when government begins being a terror to the righteous and ceases being a terror to evildoers, it is no longer a legitimate government and can be resisted. <br /><br />Contrast that with the example of our brothers and sisters in Russia during the communist years, who willingly went like lambs to the slaughter. That's not in the American DNA, but was their response more pleasing to the Lord and glorifying to God? It really is a difficult question. By the time it is necessary to put the question to the test, I am hoping and praying I will not be here.Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-78081353585350652292011-04-18T06:36:47.805-05:002011-04-18T06:36:47.805-05:00Solameanie — let me make sure I have you right.
1...<b>Solameanie</b> — let me make sure I have you right.<br /><br />1. You do not advocate violence; in fact<br /><br />2. You are absolutely opposed to violence in this case; however<br /><br />3. You are simply expressing as an observer that your fear that pagan, non-Christian folks will reach the boiling point and will erupt in violence if these invasions continues unabated?<br /><br />Because to make my position clear, I oppose violence as a response to this. I don't know the way forward if legislators/political leaders won't act, or if this doesn't move Obama's replacement by someone who will immediate re-aim our efforts radically.<br /><br />To that end, I think I've understood you correctly. If not,correct me, and I'll remove the comment, because I won't host such suggestions.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-45013776919871858522011-04-17T23:19:40.861-05:002011-04-17T23:19:40.861-05:00@Rachael There is a big difference between TSA ac...@Rachael There is a big difference between TSA actions and Daniel's actions. With Daniel and Esther it was a righteousness issue (civil law forbidding what God has explicitly told you to do. Flying is not a God-commanded action, so we are not instructed by the Scriptures to disobey the law in this case. And there are alternative choices. I'm just sayin'.Sharonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14534421623031122881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-54608339825137102212011-04-17T20:09:43.750-05:002011-04-17T20:09:43.750-05:00Susan, I am too. I was thinking specifically of Da...Susan, I am too. I was thinking specifically of Daniel, when he and his friends had been newly captured by the Babylonians, and Esther, as she was considering going to King Ahasuerus. In both cases, they saw themselves as in a specific place for God's purpose, and they put themselves at risk for the sake of justice for God's people (Esther) and obedience to God's law (Daniel). The common thread in both stories is that <i>God</i> both puts them in that position, and <i>God</i> grants them supernatural favor when they put their faith in action. By extension, Jesus did the very same thing - put his life on the line to obtain justice for HIs people and obey the law on their behalf. Unlike Esther and Daniel, Jesus was indeed obedient to death, and in doing so did obtain justice for His people.<br /><br />We need to prayerfully consider what we'd be willing to sacrifice (time, money, etc.) in advance, then pray that God give us grace if and when we find ourselves in that spot. To be honest, had what happened to Phil begun to happen to me, you would have seen me getting pretty Peter and Paul in Acts over the whole thing (loud prophesying and appealing to the rights of my citizenship). <i>I would not have let it go on.</i> And I would have willingly gone to jail, and then to the media. In my case, God very obviously said no. But to someone else, He might say yes.<br /><br />The government is getting away with this because too many people care too much about their destination, their job, their wallet, etc.Rachael Starkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781158372237369417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-60365124675729398722011-04-17T19:37:30.763-05:002011-04-17T19:37:30.763-05:00Everyone should call their congressman and ask the...Everyone should call their congressman and ask them to support the "American Traveler Dignity Act" (HR 6416) that Ron Paul has introduced. Here is his speech on the House floor:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDDslRO5J8o<br /><br />Here is the FULL text (no 1,000 page bill here): <br /><br />SECTION 1. NO IMMUNITY FOR CERTAIN AIRPORT SCREENING METHODS.<br /><br />No law of the United States shall be construed to confer any immunity for a Federal employee or agency or any individual or entity that receives Federal funds, who subjects an individual to any physical contact (including contact with any clothing the individual is wearing), x-rays, or millimeter waves, or aids in the creation of or views a representation of any part of a individual's body covered by clothing as a condition for such individual to be in an airport or to fly in an aircraft. The preceding sentence shall apply even if the individual or the individual's parent, guardian, or any other individual gives consent.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01499825830581325114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-54911474768655310172011-04-17T18:18:39.178-05:002011-04-17T18:18:39.178-05:00All right, folks, be further infuriated like I: I...All right, folks, be further infuriated like I: I just went to the ACLJ website and here's <a href="http://www.aclj.org/LegislativeAlert/Read.aspx?GUID=8b838495-6fea-467b-af07-85813e1bc8c6" rel="nofollow">what they had to say about TSA job applicants</a>.<br /><br />Sadly, it seems to make Phil's odious experience with them more understandable. >:(Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08289347868497438542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-7593614345228970302011-04-17T18:12:01.515-05:002011-04-17T18:12:01.515-05:00(And Rachael, I'm so thankful that the Lord pr...(And Rachael, I'm so thankful that the Lord protected you and your daughter from such invasion. Gives me hope to pray.)Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08289347868497438542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-56320038745239719072011-04-17T18:03:52.917-05:002011-04-17T18:03:52.917-05:00All right...here's my corrupted fleshly side t...All right...here's my corrupted fleshly side talking:<br /><br />What if somebody out there sued the inane TSA for emotional duress? Would that work? I mean, there's got to be some big-shot lawyer out there dying for a challenge to bring down infuriating bureaucracy....Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08289347868497438542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-9484966420823962262011-04-17T10:50:53.574-05:002011-04-17T10:50:53.574-05:00I honestly don't see much change until Congres...I honestly don't see much change until Congress — which has the authority to impose a change — personally feels the collective wrath of the citizenry. Some of that wrath needs to be carried into the next election when the would-be "Commanders in Chief" experience it at full-throated roar. <br /><br />And no, I am not talking about violence and do not want that to happen. However, I imagine that's where it's eventually going to end up, with TSA workers getting mobbed and punched out by people who have had a gut-full. And our elected leaders being unresponsive will virtually guarantee that to happen, unless we have indeed become Orwellian sheep and proles.Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-58049662963265884762011-04-17T00:17:57.455-05:002011-04-17T00:17:57.455-05:00Sharon,
Word is that Amtrak and train travel will...Sharon,<br /><br />Word is that Amtrak and train travel will be next...followed by Greyhound (bus).Gilberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05267525662313103148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-50236276428228800262011-04-16T23:34:58.364-05:002011-04-16T23:34:58.364-05:00Learned a lot from Mike Farris at the home school ...Learned a lot from Mike Farris at the home school convention this weekend. We Americans are already well trained to accept tyranny. Congress doesn't even write laws any more in many cases, but just passes the buck to unelected heads of administrative departments. Obamacare is a prime example. The policies of the TSA are another.<br />According to Article 1, section 1 of the constitution, "All legislative Powers ... shall be vested in a Congress..."<br />Nothing in the Constitution allows the Congress to delegate law-making to the President's administrative departments. Their job is to , um... <i>administrate</i> the laws Congress passes, not make them. <br /><br />So, TSA telling us we can't do, what we must do, what we must submit to, is a violation of the very first sentence of the Constitution (minus the preamble, that is), nevermind the 4th amendment.Mike Westfallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06944727980772754938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-5637940213287990982011-04-16T23:34:18.806-05:002011-04-16T23:34:18.806-05:00Learned a lot from Mike Farris at the home school ...Learned a lot from Mike Farris at the home school convention this weekend. We Americans are already well trained to accept tyranny. Congress doesn't even write laws any more in many cases, but just passes the buck to unelected heads of administrative departments. Obamacare is a prime example. The policies of the TSA are another.<br />According to Article 1, section 1 of the constitution, "All legislative Powers ... shall be vested in a Congress..."<br />Nothing in the Constitution allows the Congress to delegate law-making to the President's administrative departments. Their job is to , um... <i>administrate</i> the laws Congress passes, not make them. <br /><br />So, TSA telling us we can't do, what we must do, what we must submit to, is a violation of the very first sentence of the Constitution (minus the preamble, that is), nevermind the 4th amendment.Mike Westfallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06944727980772754938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-89000182772464359782011-04-16T22:41:52.490-05:002011-04-16T22:41:52.490-05:00You already know this and have said it, but it'...You already know this and have said it, but it's another illustration of the fact that elections have consequences. And frankly, man's natural inclination is not for freedom but for tyranny. Do you have to look farther than OT Israel? "We would have been better in Egypt!"<br /><br />As for some friendly advice from a government employee that may help avoid getting screened. #1) smile and have a pleasant attitude. Say please, thank you, and have a nice day. TSA inspectors are people and a little honey can go a long way. #2) Get your stuff together. Be organized and make sure you have everything off so you don't set off the metal detector. #3) If you have kids, bring your stroller. They want to move you through and that thing is going to hold up the line. #4) If you get pat down, evangelize. The most effective way to get rid of pesky people is to tell them about Christ. Think about it, while they have you for 45 minutes you also have 45 minutes to talk about the gospel. I know that isn't the main reason why you should be evangelizing, but....sometimes it has its benefits. And you never know. You might win somebody to Christ.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285043747501470199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-77119563377654801282011-04-16T21:02:47.311-05:002011-04-16T21:02:47.311-05:00@Lynda (and others) Is taking Amtrak an option? I...@Lynda (and others) Is taking Amtrak an option? It's really a pleasant way ro travel. And not a TSA agent in sight!<br /><br />WV: mantorn<br /><br />Not goin' there!Sharonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14534421623031122881noreply@blogger.com