tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post445319385702385660..comments2024-03-01T21:01:15.174-06:00Comments on Biblical Christianity: Don't miss these: 10/24/08 — cheer and questionsDJPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-78332224504596854202008-10-27T23:13:00.000-05:002008-10-27T23:13:00.000-05:00Lt Pratt: We can not force Iraq to become democrat...Lt Pratt: <B><I>We can not force Iraq to become democratic. </I></B> snip snip <B><I>If we attempt to impose democracy against the will of the people we will fail.</I></B><BR/><BR/>Huh??? Iraq is <B>already</B> a democracy - albeit a very, very, fragile one. The people <B>want</B> a democracy, it's Syria and Iran and al-Qaeda that doesn't want it to be a democracy. We are there to help with the security (which they are already doing of a lot of) because if the democracy does not succeed then the terrorists will use it again for their stomping grounds to flourish. OBL and other terrorist leaders already stated back 3 years ago that Iraq was central to the war on terror and they can make it again if we do not continue to help Iraq.<BR/><BR/>I wish you would not look at this so myopically and look at this with some kind of vision.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01912897040503058967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-74627121654145071762008-10-27T18:36:00.000-05:002008-10-27T18:36:00.000-05:00CR- Have you gotten enough exercise jumping to con...CR- Have you gotten enough exercise jumping to conclusions and flying off the handle yet? I said none of the things you attacked. It is easier to destroy a straw man than a real argument.<BR/><BR/>1) We can not force Iraq to become democratic. This is not pre 9-11 thinking. It is reality. All the alliances in the world with or without McCain at the helm will not guaranty a free and democratic Iraq. If we attempt to impose democracy against the will of the people we will fail.<BR/><BR/>2) I was not referring to racial tensions in this country. I was referring to the political divisions. We are a closely divided country along idiotlogical lines. We must always remember that we are Americans first and idiotlogs second.Lieutenant Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05987709254944483092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-24891085460543198612008-10-26T23:53:00.000-05:002008-10-26T23:53:00.000-05:00Lt Pratt: I think that what Iraq ultimately become...Lt Pratt: <B><I>I think that what Iraq ultimately becomes is up to the Iraqi's.</I></B><BR/><BR/>This is pre-9/11 thinking and exactly the kind of thinking from democrats in Congress and Obama. We can't just say que sera sera. Iraq is part of a larger picture of an Iranian attempt to defeat us and our allies to establish Iranian rule. Some of these same Iranian leaders who directed Iranian proxy attacks in Iraq are the same leaders who directed attacks for Hezbollah and directs Iranian support for Hamas and directs Iranians’ support for Syria and for Taliban elements that were fighting us and are still fighting us in Afghanistan. <BR/><BR/>We've dealt a serious blow and tremendous setback to Iran with our Iraqi partners. If we leave Iraq now or too soon, it would be a victory for Iran. To compare the factions of Iraq with tensions here in America is absurd. A faction and destabilization in Iraq will result in more terrorism. Any racial tensions here in America (perceived or real) will not result in home grown terrorism.<BR/><BR/>If we want a victory on the war on terror, Lt. Pratt and we think we can do that with strategy in Afghanistan alone instead of the continued Sunni alliance which has made it clear that it wants to continue to ally with the US against al-Qaeda, then you are mistaken. Obama wants to prematurely pull troops because he needs to satisfy the far left kook fringe of his base. We need a President that is going to make our country safe, not blindly follow the far left kook fringe his party for political gain.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01912897040503058967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-57469235066022496702008-10-26T23:30:00.000-05:002008-10-26T23:30:00.000-05:00Andrew- I think that what Iraq ultimately becomes ...Andrew- I think that what Iraq ultimately becomes is up to the Iraqi's. Right now there are ethnic and religious divisions pulling it apart while we are trying to push it together. There are some signs of progress but not enough. Women will always be 2nd class citizens, Christians will be persecuted, Sunnis will hate Shiites and vice-versa while the Kurds hate both of them. Does it mean they can't get along? I don't know. <BR/><BR/>Take a look at our own country. We have two factions and we are darn near to ripping ourselves apart along ideological lines. Republicans call democrats unpatriotic or socialist because they have a different view of how to better the country. Democrats accuse republicans of hypocrisy and race baiting. Our two factions are hard enough to reconcile and we have over 200 years of democracy. <BR/><BR/>Iraq has three factions based on religion and ethnicity and four years of democracy to go on. <BR/><BR/>To anticipate your next question I do not think either McCain or Obama will allow Iraq to become the sort of failed state that Afghanistan is. Obama may talk about timelines and pulling out but I have a suspicion that much of that is to persuade the democratic base. Joe Biden and the JCS will have a lot to say about what happens next in this war. That is, if the Obama-Biden ticket is elected.Lieutenant Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05987709254944483092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-39437799417435709522008-10-26T22:20:00.000-05:002008-10-26T22:20:00.000-05:00LT,Do you think that Iraq could become a stable na...LT,<BR/>Do you think that Iraq could become a stable nation where terrorist organizations do not <I>flourish</I>? That is, a place where terrorists cannot organize freely, recruit, train, disseminate ideology, grow strong, influence the people and develop sophisticated technology to destroy civilians?<BR/><BR/>I think the future of Iraq lies somewhere between an American-style democracy and an islamo-facist wasteland. There is no need to force Iraq's future into this dichotomy.<BR/><BR/>Do you agree?Andrew Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13325110133957216983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-31677906737192658142008-10-25T10:26:00.000-05:002008-10-25T10:26:00.000-05:00JackW- Your point is taken, sir. I have great res...JackW- Your point is taken, sir. I have great respect for President Carter, as I do for all the presidents I have served. I will not speak ill of a commander in chief but will keep my opinions of his leadership to myself.<BR/><BR/>CR- We will have to agree to disagree on Biden. I respect his thinking on military and foreign affairs. I think he was wrong on the Iraq War and he knows it. It takes a big man to admit that rather than to hold on to his errors. The war was wrong and still is. You know well that the idea of partitioning Iraq did not originate with Joe Biden but was trumpeted by many conservative thinkers before he picked it up. I remember reading an argument for it in the Journal long before Biden picked it up. There are good arguments on both sides regarding the partition idea. Iraq is not a stable democracy and we have no idea at this time whether it ever will be no matter who wins on November 4th. We must hope that it will become such but no nation before has ever had democracy forced upon it. Every attempt to do so fails to understand the situation on the ground and the ethnic divisions that exist. Iraq is not America and we should not expect that it ever will be.Lieutenant Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05987709254944483092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-32591558666343457472008-10-25T09:27:00.000-05:002008-10-25T09:27:00.000-05:00May this post by Terry at Ornaments of Grace be ed...May this post by Terry at Ornaments of Grace be edifying ~<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://terrysoapbox.blogspot.com/2008/10/for-your-consideration.html" REL="nofollow">For Your Consideration</A>J♥Yce Burrowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14974221921014132431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-13187520834553392182008-10-25T08:13:00.000-05:002008-10-25T08:13:00.000-05:00I am retired military and I agree with CR. LT, wit...I am retired military and I agree with CR. LT, with all due respect sir, we both had to go through the awful leadership of Jimmy Carter, are you willing to put the military through that again?JackWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16384160992033491748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-51739714642584463052008-10-24T23:03:00.000-05:002008-10-24T23:03:00.000-05:00Lieutenant -Randy Alcorn's words today say it bett...Lieutenant -<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://randyalcorn.blogspot.com/2008/10/im-not-voting-for-man-im-voting-for.html" REL="nofollow">Randy Alcorn's words </A>today say it better than I ever could on the issue of abortion and qualifications...Rachael Starkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781158372237369417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-17044526844338701472008-10-24T22:51:00.000-05:002008-10-24T22:51:00.000-05:00Lt Pratt: I did not mean to imply that you must ha...Lt Pratt: <B><I>I did not mean to imply that you must have served in the army to comment but that you have very strong opinions about the military and what it is for one with no experience. </I></B><BR/><BR/>Lt. Pratt, it's not that you <I>implied</I> I had to serve in order to comment, it's that you said, <B>Have you ever been in the military? If you have not I don't see how you can say Biden is wrong on the foreign affairs.</B> That's an ad hominen Lt. Pratt. You didn't imply it, you said it. <BR/><BR/>Lt Pratt:<B><I>I'm not boasting about what I have done and what I do. My hope was to encourage you to do likewise because you seem so passionate about this issue. Instead you became defensive.</I></B><BR/><BR/>I'm looking at the previous posts for statements of encouragement to do likewise what you were doing, I can't find them the Lt. Pratt. I didn't become defensive because of statements of your encouragement (because there were none). I responded to you in the way I did because of your statements when you said unless I was in the military, I can't say Biden is wrong on the issues. <BR/><BR/>Like I said, when you're ready to discuss the actual issues, I'm all game.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01912897040503058967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-62561570930454099502008-10-24T22:12:00.000-05:002008-10-24T22:12:00.000-05:00CR- My sincerest apologies if you mistook my quest...CR- My sincerest apologies if you mistook my questions for ad hominem attacks. They were not directed as attacks but merely questions about your background. When I first came to this blog people questioned my authenticity and I provided all the information requested. <BR/><BR/>I did not mean to imply that you must have served in the army to comment but that you have very strong opinions about the military and what it is for one with no experience. I lived it everyday for 25 years. I sent men to their deaths in vietnam. I made decisions I regret. So if it seems like these are tough issues for me that may explain some of the reason. <BR/><BR/>I am not seeking praise from men and that is offensive to suggest so. You have twisted the meaning of that verse from scripture. I'm not boasting about what I have done and what I do. My hope was to encourage you to do likewise because you seem so passionate about this issue. Instead you became defensive. It has been my experience that people who are passionate about something are usually very active in working toward the goal they seek.<BR/><BR/>Candy- If Colin Powell, a man of much higher caliber than I will ever be, could strugle over who to vote for why do you assume it should be easy for me? There is no good choice in this election. I must either vote for a man whom I believe has a reckless streak with a poorly qualified VP or I must vote for a man with little experience with a highly qualified VP. <BR/><BR/>Race and legacy have no bearing for me. Would I like to see a black president or a female vice president? Of course but only if qualified. Neither of these people is highly qualified.Lieutenant Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05987709254944483092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-76818316624204579752008-10-24T20:05:00.000-05:002008-10-24T20:05:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Steve Lammhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06994451968247281749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-88086286322326006472008-10-24T19:48:00.000-05:002008-10-24T19:48:00.000-05:00Lt. Pratt. I hope I am mistaken but like the young...Lt. Pratt. I hope I am mistaken but like the young lady who carved a B into her cheek for a weird political statement, I perceive that somehow you are duplicitous in your seemingly innocent confusion towards the political climate. Are you snickering while you post comments? I wonder. Because I find it hard to believe that a man of your so called caliber can have questions about who to vote for, not that we have the greatest choices, but because of what Obama stands for in his political views. Seriously. So, as you engage in your "I just don't know about the internet, and even though my wife and I work at Crisis Pregnancy Centers, we just don't know what to do!!!", just doesn't fly with me. My mother was an Army cryptographer in Germany post WWII and even though it was a tedious job, they expected a sort of intelligence in the military back then.candyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088593538648596769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-43056257139506700392008-10-24T19:04:00.000-05:002008-10-24T19:04:00.000-05:00So, if that means, I don't do certain things, then...So, if that means, I don't do certain things, then I can't comment on issues? <BR/><BR/>I'm personally offended by your ad hominens, but I'll go ahead and address them even though it has nothing to do with this. I have never served in the military. My father served in the military for 10 years including the Korean War. 3 of his friends got blown to smithereens in a tank formation, yet he survived. Because of his dark skin color my father was also discriminated during shore leave. He couldn't go to the same places as his buddies. I think what little I know about his military service counts for something. But even if I didn't, that would not preclude me from commenting. He use to take me to air shows and I think he wanted me to join the military, and I considered it 15 years ago, but decided against it. I'm very proud of the service he did because South Koreans are not starving and suffering under the regime of Kim Jong Il. Even though we didn't go into Iraq for the purpose of freeing them, I think many Iraqis 10 to 15 years down the road will be better off than they were under the regime of the Husseins, that is, if Obama is not elected and he doesn't screw things up. You must know that most people have not served in the military and if you know that, why are you here asking of our opinions if it's required that we serve in the military?!<BR/><BR/>As far as me giving time to the Lord. Again, I'm offended, and I'm also uncomfortable of having to say anything. I have not worked with women on abortion. I have been involved in my church with evangelism and also training others how to evangelize - again, I'm really uncomfortable having to say this, because I really don't feel I should defend anything or say anything because I don't want your praise nor anyone else's praise, all I want is the praise of the Lord. Again, probably a number of Christians have not served directly with working with women on abortions, I would imagine if I asked you in what capacity you have worked on in other socials issues, there would be some lacking. Why are you here asking for our opinion if we're required to work with women who are considering having abortions?<BR/><BR/>So, you have your praise from men, Lt. Pratt, for your military service and you have your praise from men, about you and your wife's service for working in crisis pregnancy centers. You want to be very careful in touting this because if you get your praise from men, there will be no praise left from God.<BR/><BR/>I really tried giving you and defending you by giving you the benefit of the doubt. I don't know that you're ready to tackle the issues because you want to ignore Biden's bad judgment. I will comment no further on anymore ad hominens from you.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01912897040503058967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-75541220032661783282008-10-24T19:01:00.000-05:002008-10-24T19:01:00.000-05:00Lieutenant - Sir, regarding the abortion issue - I...Lieutenant - <BR/><BR/>Sir, regarding the abortion issue - I respect the service you and your wife offer in that capacity as equal to the service you have offered your country. For myself, I was providentially stranded yesterday at a community pregnancy center when my car broke down in the parking lot after I went there to donate my girls' baby furniture. While I waited, I was able to have a great conversation with the director about ways I could be more involved beyond just giving money and stuff (which we have done faithfully since our children were born 7 years ago). I'm convinced that it's no coincidence that no matter which candidate wins, the abortion issue will be once again front and center, either because of Senator Obama's commitment to sign the most pro-abortion legislation ever written, or because of Trig Palin spending several years growing and thriving in the Vice President's mansion.<BR/><BR/>My question for you is this - what role does the <B>legacy</B> that the first black president or female vice-president leaves when their term in office ends have in your decision? Both Sarah Palin and Barack Obama have said and done some pretty significant things to indicate what that legacy might be. Is that a factor?Rachael Starkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781158372237369417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-68925630097835659332008-10-24T18:29:00.000-05:002008-10-24T18:29:00.000-05:00CR- I'll take your no response to my question abou...CR- I'll take your no response to my question about military service as a no that you have not served in uniform. Have you served your country in any capacity? Have you given any of the time the Lord has given you to working with women who are considering abortion? I ask because it is one thing to sit behind a computor and give opinions and a different thing to go out and make a difference. If you have I commend you on your service.<BR/><BR/>Joe Biden- his ads of 20 years ago mean no thing to me. Why? Because they were in the midst of a campaign such as this one where politicians exaggerate and lie. It used to be the democrats who did most of that and now it seems to be republicans doing that. My guess is whichever side finds itself on the short end of the polls lies more in an effort to catch up. <BR/><BR/>I have dinner guests. I'll post later.Lieutenant Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05987709254944483092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-44784885668708420242008-10-24T17:19:00.000-05:002008-10-24T17:19:00.000-05:00One last thing, Lt. Pratt. You mentioned, again, ...One last thing, Lt. Pratt. You mentioned, again, that you were not convinced whether McCain would be pro-life. I would ask that you would look at pro-life's organizations rating of McCain. And again, McCain's choice of Gov. Palin is signficant. This is a woman who lives the pro-life position and I'll just copy and paste what I've already written on another meta:<BR/><BR/><B><I>Krauthammer (one of the non-enthusiastic supporters of Gov. Palin) makes a great point why there is so much loathing and hatred of Gov. Palin by the left and it's related to the abortion issue. And that is, her decision at her age with four other children to have a Down's syndrome child and as Joseph Epstein wrote in Feminist Circles if this is not about abortion then what's it about?<BR/><BR/>Krauthammer goes on to say that liberals look at Palin as a back room hick who for religious reasons (of course we understand that it was her faith not religious reasons - Krauthammer is a brilliant conservative but an atheistic evolutionist) went ahead and had a child that they (liberals) would never have. Deep underneath is a self-loathing of this by feminists knowing that what she did is virtuous and a generous act that they (liberals) would never have undertaken and it is an affront and silent rebuke to them.</I></B><BR/><BR/>We should be excited for Gov. Palin, and despite the MSM's deceptions, she is qualified to be President - again, let me say, she is more qualified to be President when you contrast her to Obama and Biden, because Obama and Biden are wrong on the issues. I think we should also be excited for Palin because she is a professing Christian. How many times have Christians prayed for Christians to be in high places in office and especially to have those who don't buckle under pressure to give a defense of the faith like some we know.<BR/><BR/>So, to cap, you have Biden's wrong decisions 20 years ago, you have Biden's decision of he would have gone to war based on what he said in Iraq. You have is wrong decision on the surge. You also have his statement on international crisis. The issue is not that every new President is tested, sure they are in some way. But what Biden said, was that <B>because</B> of his youth and experience, Obama will be tested. You have, if you read those articles, Obama's pro-abortionist and pro-infanticide positions. You have a vice-presidential candidate with more executive experience than Obama (don't forget that Obama became US Senator in 2004 and he's been running for President for 20 months - that's about all he has done). And we have opportunity, given whose running, a chance, maybe for the first time in US history, to elect a Christian who actually lives the life.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01912897040503058967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-14935255547332954762008-10-24T16:36:00.000-05:002008-10-24T16:36:00.000-05:00Lt. Pratt,I would recommend reading Between Two Wo...Lt. Pratt,<BR/><BR/>I would recommend reading <A HREF="http://theologica.blogspot.com/search?q=abortion" REL="nofollow">Between Two Worlds blog on the abortion issues</A>. It includes Obama's support for the Freedom of Choice Act which would include cutting federal funding for crisis pregnancy clinics. FOCA would also make it difficult for doctors based on conscience to not refer patients to abortionists. Justin Taylor doesn't really manage his blog so some of the commentators are from the far left kook fringe, but his articles are great.<BR/><BR/>I'm also sure you are aware of the Federal Partial Birth Abortion Ban passed 4 years ago and immediately stayed by the federal courts but upheld by the Supreme Court just by one vote last year. (Remember that this partial birth abortion ban was passed twice by Congress during the Clinton Presidency, but he vetoed it twice.) You'll recall that President Bush's appointment of two justices (including the replacement of Justice O'Connor which was crucial for the partial birth ban).<BR/><BR/>I can understand your apprehension on what McCain will do. But we KNOW what Obama will do. We are living with abortion right now in our country because of a Supreme Court decision made over 35 years ago. A President Obama would appoint federal judges that probably would take us back and make the partial birth abortion ban unconstitutional.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, read the articles and then tell us if you can still vote for Obama.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01912897040503058967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-43304491582539928592008-10-24T16:06:00.000-05:002008-10-24T16:06:00.000-05:00Andrew- The abortion issue is important to me. I ...Andrew- The abortion issue is important to me. I work 10 hours a week in a crisis pregnancy center with women considering abortion. My wife works there 20 hours a week. I went to McCain's rally and he said very little about the pro-life issues I care about. I'm not convinced he will actually be pro-life if elected.<BR/><BR/>CR- I only go to St. Andrews once a month. I've listened to Rev. Sproul.Lieutenant Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05987709254944483092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-86886691557761243362008-10-24T15:45:00.000-05:002008-10-24T15:45:00.000-05:00Tinfoil hat mode for a minute here:For which of th...Tinfoil hat mode for a minute here:<BR/><BR/>For which of the following reasons did the young lady commit the hoax?<BR/><BR/>1) She wanted to tar Obama supporters,<BR/>2) She wanted to expose the hypocrisy of the media, (looks like she did, by the way -- if anybody outside the BibChr coterie even notices.) <BR/>3) Obama supporters bribed her to do it -- knowing the lie would be exposed -- in order to tar McCain supporters.<BR/>4) She just wanted attention, or<BR/>5) Some other reason.<BR/><BR/>Dan, I apologize in advance if this is not appropriate here. I'm just curious how this will be in the general blogosphere.Mike Westfallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06944727980772754938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-47083681666670554052008-10-24T14:58:00.000-05:002008-10-24T14:58:00.000-05:00Andrew, the purpose of a military is to break thin...Andrew, the purpose of a military is to break things and kill people, not babysit our borders, that's a different department. Our first priority is hunting down terrorist overseas and otherwise and we've been doing a real good job of it.JackWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16384160992033491748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-26356735242893137512008-10-24T14:20:00.000-05:002008-10-24T14:20:00.000-05:00Yeah, I think we should seal up the border. And ye...Yeah, I think we should seal up the border. And yeah, we shouldn't start anything we don't mean to finish.<BR/><BR/>But that's a totally different question that protectionism, which I thought was what we were starting to discuss.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-80930917256543226052008-10-24T14:15:00.000-05:002008-10-24T14:15:00.000-05:00Dan,Here's my question I have then:It seems we nee...Dan,<BR/>Here's my question I have then:<BR/>It seems we need our military at home to secure our borders. At it stands today, practically anyone can get into Canada and our border with them is porous.<BR/>The Mexican border is not much of an obstacle either. What is the estimate... 3,000 per day?<BR/><BR/>So my question is... shouldn't that be the 1st priority before hunting down terrorist overseas? Unfortunately it seems these two objectives are mutually exclusive because of the resources and manpower needed to secure the border.<BR/><BR/>And then followup: if we do not have the willpower and guts to follow through and actually win a confrontation with terrorists, should we really be seeking them out? The whole "we can't shoot until we're fired upon first" mentality is not going to defeat Al-QuedaAndrew Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13325110133957216983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-37562073767963725862008-10-24T14:14:00.000-05:002008-10-24T14:14:00.000-05:00Michael Powell (Colin's son) endorses McCain...all...Michael Powell (Colin's son) endorses McCain...all I can hear are crickets and something about Sarah Palin's wardrobe.<BR/><BR/>Forgive me if this has already been posted.<BR/><BR/>http://www.thehill.com/leading-the-news/colin-powell-splits-with-son-michael-over-white-house-race-2008-10-20.htmlJoe W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03591135884255357946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-54428350163736809062008-10-24T14:09:00.000-05:002008-10-24T14:09:00.000-05:00Did you see this one guys:Obama as a War President...Did you see this one guys:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/obama_as_a_war_president.html" REL="nofollow">Obama as a War President</A>Fred Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025967176465685306noreply@blogger.com