tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post5284185088289606010..comments2024-03-01T21:01:15.174-06:00Comments on Biblical Christianity: Driscoll TGC 2009 impressionsDJPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-19602613387383614232010-05-20T11:23:08.138-05:002010-05-20T11:23:08.138-05:00Very good post!
I wish Pastor Mark would get it.....Very good post! <br />I wish Pastor Mark would get it... <br /><br />I am tired of Christians who refuse to listen because ''God is with them'' or whatever... <br />''Hey, what we do works...so I don't care''OldChurchFanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553379614536492857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-54998810045321144632009-05-16T11:18:00.000-05:002009-05-16T11:18:00.000-05:00For all the attempts to sugar coat this, if it loo...For all the attempts to sugar coat this, if it looks like the world, talks like the world, and sounds like the world, it probably is the world.<br /><br />That doesn't mean Driscoll is an unbeliever, but it does mean that his public person is quite worldly.Lance Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08658525748126215787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-20356679971199065982009-05-11T13:26:00.000-05:002009-05-11T13:26:00.000-05:00Didn't exegete the text and came across as kind of...Didn't exegete the text and came across as kind of a jerk quite frankly. As well as like one of those people he talked about who are always in Junior High!Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13662331921001438396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-19643876359554828572009-05-09T07:43:00.000-05:002009-05-09T07:43:00.000-05:00This was tailor-made for the Reformed community wh...This was tailor-made for the Reformed community which seems from the outside to be enamored with people-worship:<br /><br />Spurgeon<br /><br />Sproul<br /><br />MacArthur<br /><br />Piper<br /><br />Knox<br /><br />Calvin<br /><br />Luther<br /><br />Just totally bowled over by big names which--in my opinion obscure he Bible and its plain message.<br /><br />Secondly, Driscoll is exactly how others see the Reformed Church from the outside. Brash, uncouth, crusading and smug about its superiority. Haven't you ever been to Pyro?Occasional Blog Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06781314726458750351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-50006075450702398322009-05-06T05:54:00.000-05:002009-05-06T05:54:00.000-05:00I didn’t have the same take you did on his talk. I...I didn’t have the same take you did on his talk. I took it for what is was, and understood the points he was making. <br /><br />What does come thru is very disturbing for me, a pew sitter, a sheep, one who looks to my elders to be mature men of god. <br /><br />I assume he is talking to pastors? If so, many of the examples he used and the characteristics of his audience leaves me wondering if these men are qualified to be pastors. For example, when he talked about some of the audience being ex jocks that are looking for a fight. Or when he tells the audience not to be like him thru this or that. <br /><br />Now an elder isn’t going to be perfect, but shouldn’t they have reached a minimum level of maturity and control that these problems are not issues in their lives?Eric Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789049874227384621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-58386920184206513362009-05-05T18:21:00.000-05:002009-05-05T18:21:00.000-05:00First time commenter here.
I don't have any axes t...First time commenter here.<br />I don't have any axes to grind and I don't know Mark D from Adam. Whatever I've seen from him has come mainly from YouTube<br /><br />Frankly speaking, I thought the sermon he gave fell short of expectations. It felt more like a tirade at times. I don't like comparing generally -- everyone has different styles, gifts etc but it was glaringly obvious to me that the sermon was no exposition of the text (which I was kinda hoping for). He rambled on and (to use a Piper expression) "hovered around" the text while playing for laughs.<br />I don't mind a bit of levity in a sermon now and again but I like to learn something from the sermons I listen to and on this occasion, I was left feeling empty.<br />I loved all the other expositions though as well as Mr Fernando's talk. It's times like these that I wished I lived closer to the action. Ah well, thank God for MP3s and such.Lilianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05866028110476307074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-8946679358762479642009-05-05T16:54:00.000-05:002009-05-05T16:54:00.000-05:00When I heard the talk, I felt like I stepped into ...When I heard the talk, I felt like I stepped into a movie that was half over and was trying to piece the story together. I thought he did an excellent job at whatever it was he was doing (I guess). I think it is a game of mind-reading in many of the criticisms I have read and heard. I need to listen to this again after a month and see if the it resonates at all. In my experience, Driscoll proclaims the gospel in such a way that leads me to worship, yet when off topic it leads me to want to punch a blogger for no reason. <br /><br />In conclusion, I like your feedback and and find it helpful, yet I still think there is some mind-reading going on that maybe unfair, I think? I will listen to Carson at GCC again and be inspired. Thanks very much for your blog.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10044277928052759074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-7074721439253590172009-05-05T15:20:00.000-05:002009-05-05T15:20:00.000-05:00my comment, thoroughly unhelpful i'm sure, has som...my comment, thoroughly unhelpful i'm sure, has something to do with a stick and a lifeless equine...ryangeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03473892291447386504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-75713748555111208842009-05-04T00:17:00.000-05:002009-05-04T00:17:00.000-05:00For whatever it's worth, I think Mark Driscoll is ...For whatever it's worth, I think Mark Driscoll is well intending. In fact,... I've even learned some things from the guy.<br /> But, like we all do from time-to-time,... he can make himself out to be a real bone-head.<br /> His potential to reach many is undeniable, he just needs to get past himself to do it. <br /> Hopefully he'll eventually take stock in the good council offered him and have the effect on the (seven, if I recall correctly) church campuses he's over that I feel he is capable of.<br /><br /> http://benjamindennis.wordpress.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-72335367967671922382009-05-02T11:06:00.000-05:002009-05-02T11:06:00.000-05:00Aack.
What I meant by the "potential" bit probabl...Aack.<br /><br />What I meant by the "potential" bit probably didn't come across.<br /><br />I've had very little exposure to MD, though he's up in my "neck of the woods" - sort of - so I poked around and viewed a couple of clips of him speaking. (I can't quite bring myself to call it "preaching".)<br /><br />I'd forgotten what you wrote, Dan, about him learning from comedians, but that's very telling. As Daryl noted, he's anticipating his audience and is clearly trying to evoke in them very specific responses. We saw that in the waiting for the laughter, and in playing on their sympathies, as pastors who have undoubtedly been unjustly criticized at times.<br /><br />So in many ways he's a very gifted <I>speaker</I> or <I>entertainer</I>, but the clips I heard weren't <I>preaching</I>. <br /><br />And now for the snarky bit... his appearance. <I>Distracting</I>.<br /><br />I didn't bring this up at first because it's petty. And I'm not one to insist that a pastor wear a suit and tie. Still, I'm 42 and he's - what? - 38 I think I read?<br /><br />I don't know his motives. I can only wonder why he <I>appears</I> to be affecting such a little boy look. The clip on Centurion's blog (April 17) shows what I'm talking about. My eyes kept going to the white toes of his Chuck Taylors as he scuffed his feet on the floor. Sort of "Leave it to Beaver"-ish. <br /><br />But, again, that's definitely not a big issue, and if it's too snarky - Dan - just delete me :0)<br /><br />JulieHerding Grasshoppershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15668974245505544238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-27708577454163636222009-05-02T10:38:00.000-05:002009-05-02T10:38:00.000-05:00@Daryl
And all the pausing, waiting for a laugh t...@Daryl<br /><br /><I>And all the pausing, waiting for a laugh that, thankfully, didn't always come</I>.<br /><br />I noticed that too, wincing when the audience <I>did</I> comply with the expected laugh... although I did (laugh) as well at times.<br /><br />He certainly has potential as a gifted communicator.<br /><br />JulieHerding Grasshoppershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15668974245505544238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-8033058379741057682009-05-02T10:21:00.000-05:002009-05-02T10:21:00.000-05:00So I listened to the "sermon," or whatever that wa...So I listened to the "sermon," or whatever that was. I wish I had just taken your word for it. Everything you said was accurate. If there was a theme, it was "Shut Up and Leave Me Alone."Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10658215452617342095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-55602876614678559652009-05-02T09:53:00.000-05:002009-05-02T09:53:00.000-05:00Rachael — isn't that something? Where would this W...<B>Rachael</B> — isn't that something? Where would this WHOLE THING be if Driscoll had just humbled himself and said, "Good point." Or even what you said, which... good grief, what would <I>that</I> have cost him?<br /><br />Pride. Martyr-image.<br /><br /><I>sigh</I>DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-9542899117249548422009-05-02T09:51:00.000-05:002009-05-02T09:51:00.000-05:00Herding Grasshoppers — treated the text like expan...<B>Herding Grasshoppers</B> — <I>treated the text like expandable luggage into which he could stuff his agenda</I>Wow.<br /><br />1. What a deft turn of phrase; I really want to remember it.<br /><br />2. My second immediate response is, "Ouch; God please save me from doing this"<br /><br />3. Third is that it fits, unfortunately.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-5554142082865549952009-05-02T08:39:00.000-05:002009-05-02T08:39:00.000-05:00I'm right there will you guys. He seemed to relish...I'm right there will you guys. He seemed to relish the existence of "negatives" in his life, as if that made him special somehow.<br /><br />And all the pausing, waiting for a laugh that, thankfully, didn't always come.<br /><br />Interesting that almost the only bit in Timothy that he went with was the bit about arguing about words...way too autobiographical for me.<br /><br />And the talking down to everyone as well....grrr...he's a kid, not an elder statesman.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-18961465274189221962009-05-01T23:27:00.000-05:002009-05-01T23:27:00.000-05:00I could feel the glow of the halo through my monit...I could feel the glow of the halo through my monitor.<br /><br />I had exactly the same impression as you guys. He used the text as a launchpad for what he wanted to say.<br /><br />And ironically, as Scott says, there are some things in that passage that relate <I>directly</I> to what went on that week, and I was truly praying that he would, dare I say it, man up and say something to the effect of "some things are foolish controversies, but some aren't and I'm humbled that mature men of the faith like John love me enough to ask me to think about these things, and I'm going to."Rachael Starkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781158372237369417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-18758847093050493712009-05-01T22:42:00.000-05:002009-05-01T22:42:00.000-05:00Well, yeah!
To be fair, I didn't hear the whole t...Well, <I>yeah</I>!<br /><br />To be fair, I didn't hear the whole thing (drowsy, bored, free-with-the-fast-forward-button)...<br /><br />But I came away with the impression that he had an axe to grind, a text he had been assigned, and treated the text like expandable luggage into which he could stuff his agenda.<br /><br />Yes, he managed a few "points of contact" between the text and what he said, but it wasn't exactly expository preaching.<br /><br />He seemed to be trying to win over the crowd (which would be primarily other pastors?) by appealing to their sense of having been victimized by the "negatives" in their own congregations.<br /><br />Which, of course, is <I>all of us</I>.<br /><br />"Y'know..."<br /><br />My .02,<br /><br />JulieHerding Grasshoppershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15668974245505544238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-21107367413753302062009-05-01T21:40:00.000-05:002009-05-01T21:40:00.000-05:00So, anyone who did listen to the sermon: did that ...So, anyone who did listen to the sermon: did that whole <B>martyr</B> thing come through to you, too?DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-57151241922712158412009-05-01T21:38:00.000-05:002009-05-01T21:38:00.000-05:00A few random thoughts on this message:
1. He's an...A few random thoughts on this message:<br /><br />1. He's an effective communicator.<br /><br />2. He's humorous; but it got too cute and forced for me.<br /><br />3. Much of what he had to say was biblical and helpful, but ...<br /><br />4. I think he missed the point of the text. He was so fixated on the 3 types of people in the church - the positives, negatives, and neutrals, and then giving 20 examples of the negatives, and none of this came from the text, that he then attempted to squeeze this into the passage. I admit I didn't study the passage as long as he probably did, but Paul's point seems pretty clear: faithful servants rightly divide and teach the truth, and they flee sin and pursue righteousness.Scott Shafferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03312545003301027755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-11486514401941452482009-05-01T16:28:00.000-05:002009-05-01T16:28:00.000-05:00Thanks to Taylor Mali, I found it too difficult to...Thanks to Taylor Mali, I found it too difficult to listen past 1:41 due to the constant use of interrogative inflections at the end of sentences that were not questions :).Michellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00168363955644093592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-62527285257710087252009-05-01T14:21:00.000-05:002009-05-01T14:21:00.000-05:00I here you, Shaun.
Thanks.
(c;I here you, Shaun.<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />(c;DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-5319256987470975642009-05-01T14:19:00.000-05:002009-05-01T14:19:00.000-05:00I meant "hear it here," of course. :)I meant "hear it here," of course. :)Shaun Marksburyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10181166499490318238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-63588814090120676562009-05-01T14:18:00.000-05:002009-05-01T14:18:00.000-05:00Dan, you wrote,
"Driscoll and apologists seem to (...Dan, you wrote,<br />"Driscoll and apologists seem to (try to) make a lot of the fact that John MacArthur didn't pick up the phone and ask Driscoll out to Starbucks or an Ultimate Fight game or something. Even granting that (which I don't) — then why didn't Driscoll do what he thought Phil or MacArthur shouldn't have done? Isn't that Matthew 7:12-y, and 1 Peter 3:9-ish? "<br /><br />I don't know if this was said elsewhere, but MacArthur did write Driscoll after "Confessions of a Reformissional Rev" was published. The letter was forwarded by Driscoll to Piper, but I'm not sure that much came of it.<br /><br />Just like the letter Johnson sent to Driscoll (twice) before the Shepherd's Conference.<br /><br />BTW: John MacArthur gave a preemptive response to Driscoll the day of Driscoll's talk (April 21). You can here it <A HREF="http://www.tms.edu/Media.aspx" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Shaun Marksburyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10181166499490318238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-72905860179962991592009-05-01T12:26:00.000-05:002009-05-01T12:26:00.000-05:00Julie,
I'm doing really well.
I'm still not sup...Julie,<br /><br />I'm doing really well. <br /><br />I'm still not supposed to lift too much (post-surgery and all) but that's quickly coming to an end. Besides, being the Dad of 6...it's kind of impossible not to lift anything.<br /><br />All in all, the doctors are happy so I'm happy.<br /><br />Thanks for asking!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-3669146235865110182009-05-01T12:13:00.000-05:002009-05-01T12:13:00.000-05:00Love (agape) towards Mark Driscoll was what MacArt...Love (agape) towards Mark Driscoll was what MacArthur and Piper and others have sacrificially displayed. <br /><br />It takes manly courage and submissive obedience to the Spirit to reach out in love to a brother. I'm sure MacArthur knew full well the ramifications this act would return him. Love ain't for sissies. <br /><br />I think we as saints progressing along in our own Spirit led assignments and courses in becoming conformed like Christ have a tendency to prolong our growth if we don't learn in truth from both sides through the lens of this brutal "L" word. I was in Eph 3 today and in v. 18 'with all the saints' caught my attention.philnesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04393311811604119321noreply@blogger.com