tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post5300742904238085351..comments2024-03-01T21:01:15.174-06:00Comments on Biblical Christianity: "Pastoral"? Perry Noble and Kevin DeYoung, a study in contrastsDJPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-33215739119722488122011-09-30T02:40:05.773-05:002011-09-30T02:40:05.773-05:00You know who "Nobel" reminds me of.
The...You know who "Nobel" reminds me of.<br /><br />The bully at school.<br />I have watched a few video clips of "Nobel" he always seems looking for a fight, any kind of fight.<br /><br />This is the second clip that he defends himself and what he does? <br /><br />I get that you may defend yourself... check that defend the truth you have preached the right thing you have done but, defending why you have not done shepherding and defending why you don't inform the church why/when you not preaching must be qualified.<br /><br />Coming out on stage like Mike Tyson and picking a fight with your sheep who just wants you to pastor them...now that is the right way to roll(tongue in cheek)<br /><br />He really has this aggressive look on him when he speaks.<br /><br />Well sure Jesus was "aggressive" I'm thinking when He cleaned out the temple and when he told Peter "Get behind me Satan" but, did Jesus pick a fight with Thomas when he needed faith and asked help?<br /><br />No! He opened His arms and showed Him His wounds, Jesus corrected Thomas but, with love and tenderness.<br /><br />"Nobel" really lacks a lot of Jesus’ manner and love in this vid.Thomas Louwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08406486510590654502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-27365382968190196802011-09-30T02:23:55.709-05:002011-09-30T02:23:55.709-05:00Don't Worry Dan Noble has no time for coffee h...Don't Worry Dan Noble has no time for coffee he is to nobel for that.<br /><br />He needs all his time to study:)Thomas Louwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08406486510590654502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-31154610313509526502011-09-29T18:16:46.447-05:002011-09-29T18:16:46.447-05:00"But the best example of all is Christ himsel...<em>"But the best example of all is Christ himself who visited people's homes."</em><br /><br />Yeah, but I heard the tax collectors made a nice foie gras, so how bad could it have been. No chicken and broccoli casserole for Jesus!Paula Bolyardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05567777774272590296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-3804477172238103932011-09-29T16:14:49.233-05:002011-09-29T16:14:49.233-05:00what is sad is that these people have this man for...what is sad is that these people have this man for a pastor, who does not emulate Christ AT All with his attitude. And his generalization about pastors leaving after 2 years just because they visit their members is soo...ugh...don't even have words for it. The church I used to go to in the DR was founded 30 years ago, the main pastor is still there and the other pastors were chosen from the congregation and have been there since it was founded...look at John Piper, John McArthur, the church I go to now, etc etc etc....these pastors are still preaching in their churches and I'm sure they've visited many of their members...But the best example of all is Christ himself who visited people's homes.Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01385067178930906667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-55818122412959814722011-09-29T14:19:57.879-05:002011-09-29T14:19:57.879-05:00I never do anything until I've had coffee.I never do anything until I've had coffee.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-17250889650868134962011-09-29T14:16:05.337-05:002011-09-29T14:16:05.337-05:00Did you take Noble out for coffee before you... he...Did you take Noble out for coffee before you... held him accountable to Biblical standards?<br /><br />I'd like to see you, Frank, and Noble having a beverage of some kind.Chris Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09852172543604796279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-28208725415585357262011-09-29T12:55:42.468-05:002011-09-29T12:55:42.468-05:00This blog is a Tone Police Free zone.This blog is a Tone Police Free zone.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-54894014914231050232011-09-29T12:54:59.078-05:002011-09-29T12:54:59.078-05:00Frank, will you please stop throwing Bible verses ...Frank, will you please stop throwing Bible verses at us? Men like Noble have more important things to do, like ministry. ;) <br /><br />Seriously, I'm trying right now to get a mental image of Mr. Noble's ministry. I kind of have the misnamed "Ministry of Love" from Orwell's 1984 in mind, but maybe that's too harsh. Now the tone police will get me.Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-56507720871176845032011-09-29T11:51:49.266-05:002011-09-29T11:51:49.266-05:00I can't bring myself to watch the ignoble vide...I can't bring myself to watch the ignoble video. Very much appreciate the link to DeYoung's advice.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13858857487962300855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-37803227960875066692011-09-29T11:44:41.338-05:002011-09-29T11:44:41.338-05:00I don't even know who this guy is, but its har...I don't even know who this guy is, but its hard to be surprised when the Lord predicted "hirelings" like that.<br /><br />I also listened to his video on tithing that showed up next. I just hope his congregation gets some sense and leaves, but perhaps that's why he's there, to please their ears.Penn Tomassettihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04426113620189406498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-12573037115743732942011-09-29T10:04:52.302-05:002011-09-29T10:04:52.302-05:00I know I'm a couple of days late on this, but ...I know I'm a couple of days late on this, but the only thing I think of when I see the video is this:<br /><br /><b>I have five sons 8 and under at home. I'm working hard to train them not to be selfish brats. Why would I want to go to a church where the pastor is less mature than my 8 year old."</b><br /><br />If I lived in East Lansing though... :)VcdeChagnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09061295600050633057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-55024391235466862432011-09-29T06:59:17.918-05:002011-09-29T06:59:17.918-05:00No Perry, actually I think we DO understand how li...No Perry, actually I think we DO understand how little you care.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13662331921001438396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-75589430593048835592011-09-29T05:03:47.241-05:002011-09-29T05:03:47.241-05:00One has to ask what on earth he thinks the purpose...One has to ask what on earth he thinks the purpose of the pastoral role actually is.Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14873728356115837593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-35507686924973324422011-09-29T01:04:36.862-05:002011-09-29T01:04:36.862-05:00"Quite frankly, that's called doing your ...<em>"Quite frankly, that's called doing your job and it's what each and everyone of us does each and every day.</em><br /><br />Oh my, that didn't come out the way I meant it to sound! Our pastor is a bit of a curmudgeon - lifelong fundamentalist Baptist. One of the benefits of knowing and having a relationship with your pastor is understanding the heart behind statements like that. We have such affection for him that everyone smiled at the story, knowing that despite his grumbling, no one is more joyful than he is when a young couple is married in the church. No matter how many lukewarm chicken picattas he has to eat. : ) He even buys a new tie for each wedding to match the wedding party and wears it every year on the couple's anniversary. <br /><br />But on the serious side, I think it's OK for a pastor to admit he is human and that not all parts of his job are equally enjoyable or spiritually uplifting. I'm guessing unlocking the doors before a wedding and dealing with stressed out parents and in-laws arguing about the decorations probably isn't on any pastor's top 10 list. I'm OK with that. <br /><br />Kevin DeYoung admits that he finds visiting the sick and dying "scary, hard work." I think that's OK to admit. The important thing is that you are performing your duties faithfully and with a good attitude, whether or not it's your favorite thing to do. Those are choices we all make as believers.Paula Bolyardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05567777774272590296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-38996553734934976952011-09-29T00:44:40.425-05:002011-09-29T00:44:40.425-05:00Frank,
To add to your passages, I am reminded also...Frank,<br />To add to your passages, I am reminded also of 1 Thess. 2:7-8:<br /><br />"But we proved to be gentle among you, as a nursing mother tenderly cares for her own children. 8 Having so fond an affection for you, we were well-pleased to impart to you not only the gospel of God but also our own lives, because you had become very dear to us."<br /><br />And Acts 20:20:<br /><br />"I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you publicly and from house to house."MSChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05419145542442539462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-88019808832477333492011-09-28T23:52:30.110-05:002011-09-28T23:52:30.110-05:00Every single time - without exception - that Noble...Every single time - without exception - that Noble opens his mouth I am reminded of the song from Petra: Sometimes God's children should be seen and not heard.<br /><br />If Noble would go and DO the things that honour God, perhaps he would be less inclined to SAY things that do not honour God. You know... like ministry. :P <br /><br />That last part is facetious, but a wise person once said we'd know the tree by the fruit it bears, and it's as true for me as it is Noble. It is only by God's good grace I'm not given a stage on which to constantly dishearten, discourage, and disenchant a flock like Noble seems intent on.Chris Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09852172543604796279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-76108548034590789382011-09-28T22:50:12.793-05:002011-09-28T22:50:12.793-05:00You know, I will give PN credit for this.
Knowing...You know, I will give PN credit for this.<br /><br />Knowing him and not Jesus will send you to Hell. He's right that the church has always been about Christ and knowing Him (which means having been born again and trusting in Him for the forgiveness of sins). And he's right about not caring if someone flippantly criticizes the music. If that's all they're concerned about at his church, then they probably are shallow.<br /><br />But NONE of that excuses him from disregarding his duties as a pastor to preach the Word carefully and accurately, and to shepherd his flock. None of the excuses he gave, though not all that incorrect as facts, justify for a single moment his attitude towards the people of his church.<br /><br />The folks at newspring really should follow his advice and go back to their former churches.Sir Brasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01893578064434019702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-36300051439176986562011-09-28T21:02:24.740-05:002011-09-28T21:02:24.740-05:00I've seen this clip several times, and the quo...I've seen this clip several times, and the quote that strikes me is "see that guy on his face before Jesus?". I can't imagine Perry really worshiping the Lord like that if he cannot even show love to his children. When does PN get on his face? Maybe only in his imagination -- it is difficult to think he'd be humble after this rant. Sad.<br /><br />The comments about enabling him were right on. Doubly sad.Marlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10846790306119108655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-80393189904339886742011-09-28T16:39:45.571-05:002011-09-28T16:39:45.571-05:00Perry's comment that pastors leave after two y...Perry's comment that pastors leave after two years because they are sick of visiting the sick and eating bad food is dead wrong. I can't think of a single church where this has happened and can only think of the excellent pastors who shepherded churches for 5 to 25 years visiting shutins and the sick, preaching sermons and eating whatever meal was served to them. <br /><br />I used to raise sheep and sometimes I wish some pastors could spend time working with sheep helping with lambing, feeding, breaking ice in the winter so they have water, spending nights or afternoons with the sick ones, shearing, walking out to find the strays and beating back stray dogs, crying when the favorite dies. Clothes, particularly coat cuffs and hems get covered in a dirty, greasy layer of lanolin. I won't even describe how dirty boots get when the snow is melting. Shepherds smell like their sheep. How long would some of these guys last?Mizz Harpyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18220764076008867988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-4556044811496891132011-09-28T15:18:06.371-05:002011-09-28T15:18:06.371-05:00Robert,
Maybe that’s what he means when he says i...Robert,<br /><br />Maybe that’s what he means when he says it would be a bad thing if he came to visit someone in the hospital… because he doesn’t exactly make a priority of cleaning himself up… just a thought. ;-)Ron (aka RealityCheck)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03274921909241630662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-22094349814935086252011-09-28T14:36:35.178-05:002011-09-28T14:36:35.178-05:00Frank FTW.
Just gonna throw this out there and of...Frank FTW.<br /><br />Just gonna throw this out there and offer myself up to get lambasted. Did anybody notice how Noble looks like he just rolled out of bed in the clothes he is wearing? I just find it funny that almost all of these types of guys don't put forth any effort to dress like they are setting themselves apart to prepare to worship God when they preach. I'm not trying to get legalistic...I certainly think what is most important is whether you are prepared on the inside. However, I can't imagine these guys would stroll into court or a business interview dressed like this out of respect for the people they were going to address. Shouldn't they have more respect for God?Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-21554102544486156152011-09-28T14:25:03.603-05:002011-09-28T14:25:03.603-05:00Don't get me started about the full-time pasto...Don't get me started about the full-time pastors who also hold down an additional full-time job.<br /><br />/end rantAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-21123440329226400932011-09-28T14:22:33.663-05:002011-09-28T14:22:33.663-05:00I appreciate Paula's analogy of the disenfranc...I appreciate Paula's analogy of the disenfranchised 80 year-old man and that pastors are not afforded a demographic. <br /><br />But, as to the man has to get up early to unlock the doors, spends a chunk of the afternoon on his feet, eats catered chicken cordon bleu and wedding cake and makes small talk with Mrs. Nesbitt about the flower arrangements, followed by a few more hours of work before he can call it a night?<br /><br />Quite frankly, that's called doing your job and it's what each and everyone of us does each and every day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-22647783341308758982011-09-28T13:54:51.893-05:002011-09-28T13:54:51.893-05:00Wow… as I listened to Mr. Noble speak I couldn’t h...Wow… as I listened to Mr. Noble speak I couldn’t help but think about John MacArthur who recently completed preaching through the entire New Testament… verse by verse. If you go to this link:<br /><br />http://www.gty.org/blog/B110918#.ToNl082P_EA<br /><br />you can actually see him complete the book of Mark, and the NT, receive a standing ovation, and then… thank his congregation for making it such a joy. IOW, he immediately credits his congregation for their part in what he has accomplished.<br /><br />Months later on September 18th he is officially honored for his accomplishment and once again gives credit to his congregation. In fact, he talks about the Thessalonian church and how much joy it gave to the Apostle Paul and then says that he, John, believes that his church is the Thessalonian Church of Southern California. What a complement, and what love John MacArthur shows for his church. You can listen to that here:<br /><br />http://www.gty.org/resources/Sermons/90-413_Gratitude-for-a-Faithful-Church#.ToNb3M2P_EA<br /><br />I highly recommend it.<br /><br />Personally, I found it impossible not to get a lump in my throat as I listened to how much John MacArthur loves his flock. I feel sorry for Nobles congregation, but as Dan rightfully pointed out, there are consequences for enabling someone like Noble in the first place.Ron (aka RealityCheck)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03274921909241630662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-26660828457372269712011-09-28T13:27:47.974-05:002011-09-28T13:27:47.974-05:00I shall share an anecdote, you may apply as you se...I shall share an anecdote, you may apply as you see fit.<br /><br />There was a pastor once who did not care for the sheep of the church. A meeting of the church was called in order to beseech the pastor to take more time to visit the sick, the elderly, and those in need. <br /><br />The pastor replied, "You cannot tell me what to do. I don't work for you; I work for God." <br /><br />The church said, "Very well, see if you can get God to sign your next check for you. We're not going to."<br /><br />~The End<br /><br />I would say more, but I am provoked in my spirit.Brad Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00197301845256854051noreply@blogger.com