tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post6148313351533994025..comments2024-03-01T21:01:15.174-06:00Comments on Biblical Christianity: Hither and thither — 3/6/09DJPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-74547791557942622152009-03-09T14:21:00.000-05:002009-03-09T14:21:00.000-05:00"Mark: I usually try to be very brief but then ris..."Mark: I usually try to be very brief but then risk coming across wrong and I wanted to be clear.<BR/><BR/>I understand totally. Sorry for using the term "ranting." I'm prone to wordiness as well. Don't worry. :)"<BR/><BR/>~Cool, we're all good!~Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01819856178499938127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-41500392894943214512009-03-09T10:49:00.000-05:002009-03-09T10:49:00.000-05:00Brick Testament is poison in plastic. Not for the...Brick Testament is poison in plastic. Not for the kidos at all. Makes you thankful in the beginning was the Word, not the picture.REMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285866237413113428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-59844404765237495832009-03-08T06:49:00.000-05:002009-03-08T06:49:00.000-05:00I got that dancing Democrat graphic in a forward t...I got that dancing Democrat graphic in a forward this week with the caption, "WE GOT YOUR MONEY...GONNA SPEND YOUR MONEY...LA,LA,LA,LA... GONNA PRINT SOME MORE MONEY...GONNA SPEND MORE MONEY...LA, LA, LA"<BR/><BR/>:-)SolaMommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07569633683299802644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-74975690297205874812009-03-07T22:15:00.000-06:002009-03-07T22:15:00.000-06:00I don't know of an organization. One way to find ...I don't know of an organization. One way to find out would be checking with the local crisis pregnancy center. But I don't mind just asking. "Do you do abortions? And, if not, do you refer for them?"<BR/><BR/><BR/>My word verification is "coment"... so there's my comment. Weird.Herding Grasshoppershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15668974245505544238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-11035971542665301472009-03-07T19:01:00.000-06:002009-03-07T19:01:00.000-06:00Julie,is there some way to know if they are pro-li...Julie,<BR/><BR/>is there some way to know if they are pro-life without asking? Is there a organization?Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285043747501470199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-62281724748365576942009-03-07T18:26:00.000-06:002009-03-07T18:26:00.000-06:00Mark: I usually try to be very brief but then risk...Mark: <I>I usually try to be very brief but then risk coming across wrong and I wanted to be clear.</I><BR/><BR/>I understand totally. Sorry for using the term "ranting." I'm prone to wordiness as well. Don't worry. :)Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15232291579882899350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-12397707470990067052009-03-07T17:59:00.000-06:002009-03-07T17:59:00.000-06:00Aaron,I believe we need more strong Christians in ...Aaron,<BR/><BR/>I believe we need more strong Christians in <I>every</I> field. We need good writers, scientists, artists, grocers, computer whizzes, doctors, and so on, who are whole-heartedly following God.<BR/><BR/>And - as a consumer - to some extent, we 'vote' with our money. Which is to say, I used this doctor (aside from working for him) <I>because of his pro-life stance.</I> First, because Christians ought to 'do good' to each other (Gal 6:10). And second - think like a pregnant mom for a moment - a doctor who holds abortion as an option isn't fully committed to supporting the pregnancy. Kind of like a person who keeps divorce as an option isn't fully committed to working out difficulties in a marriage.<BR/><BR/>I see this as a particular problem with the trend Dan was linking to. As doctors are increasingly pressured out of the field for their pro-life views, we are left with... the others.<BR/><BR/>I challenge my friends to seek out and use pro-life doctors, whenever possible.<BR/><BR/>To that end, when that doctor was no longer practicing (and there wasn't another pro-life OB/GYN in town), I used a pro-life family physician during my last pregnancy.Herding Grasshoppershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15668974245505544238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-73079619288250449312009-03-07T16:13:00.000-06:002009-03-07T16:13:00.000-06:00FYI: The landscaper wasn't my friend. I only foun...FYI: The landscaper wasn't my friend. I only found out about it due to the local news.<BR/><BR/>I still vehemently disagree with most of your views on this subject. (just to make it plain). I also don't find it scriptural to treat one sin like another. Scripture is very clear that we are to have different consequences for more serious sins.<BR/><BR/>Julie: This is really bad news in any case. I had these arguments with "Christians" who told me they were voting for Obama. I told them he would reverse, singlehandely, all of the pro-life gains we made in the last decade. They just kept telling me that the President can't make abortion illegal.<BR/><BR/>I've often thought about what we could do about it, other than the usual. Christian medical school? Network of Christian OBGYNs?Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285043747501470199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-7896033772901659712009-03-07T14:59:00.000-06:002009-03-07T14:59:00.000-06:00In other news, my science professor also thinks gl...In other news, my science professor also thinks global warming is bunk.<BR/><BR/>He's ranted about it many times, and I don't think he's conservative....he's certainly not a believer...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-69684162808090613532009-03-07T13:39:00.000-06:002009-03-07T13:39:00.000-06:00Obama administration to reverse Hippocratic oath? ...<I>Obama administration to reverse Hippocratic oath? Instead of "You must do no harm," the 0-vision would appear to be, "You must do harm."</I><BR/>Just like in Canada, I hope his plans fail miserably...Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01385067178930906667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-15866269330692853352009-03-07T13:01:00.000-06:002009-03-07T13:01:00.000-06:00Aaron,I worked in an OB/GYN office, so my experien...Aaron,<BR/><BR/>I worked in an OB/GYN office, so my experience is only anecdotal, not a result of scientific study :0)<BR/><BR/>You’re right that a lot of pregnant women seeking abortion would probably go directly to Planned Parenthood or another abortion mill, rather than their doctor, but remember that not all towns have Abortion Clinics. At the time I was working (13 years ago… pre-motherhood), ours did not, but does now, so that may have changed the situation somewhat. <BR/><BR/>As far as insurance goes, in our state Medical Coupons routinely cover abortion. The Abortion Clinics are usually very helpful, in getting pregnant women onto Medical Assistance, and it is easier for pregnant women to qualify. I’m sure you caught the irony there.<BR/><BR/>And you’re also right, that doctors certainly can “just say no”, but there are often professional consequences. There is <I>enormous pressure</I> among the doctors to “conform”, and punishment for non-conformists. And for OB/GYNs, who are by definition women’s doctors, there is pressure to be “pro-woman” – which usually comes out as feminist. <BR/><BR/>Also, the doctors often see the other end of the abortion… when the women show up at the hospital with complications the Abortion Clinic won’t deal with. More common than you might think.<BR/><BR/>The Doc I worked for viewed his office as a ministry, consequently he had a large population of patients that other OB/GYNs didn’t really want – young, unmarried, and often with a number of risk factors, from general adolescent stupidity to more serious health risks like tobacco, drug and alcohol addictions. He even (rarely) had patients who were escorted from the jail by deputies, and later hand-cuffed to their hospital beds after delivery, because of their “situations”. <BR/><BR/>Also, he was in practice for himself – he didn’t have any partners, and he delivered about 30 babies a month as well as doing surgeries, and seeing patients in the office. Do the math… <I>that’s a lot of work.</I> Doctors usually make arrangements to give each other “call coverage”, so they can occasionally get some time off, maybe <I>sleep.</I> But the other OB/GYNs in town shunned him. Also, because he accepted high-risk patients, his statistical outcomes weren’t as good as other doctors. More judgment.<BR/><BR/>But IMO, what it came down to was that he was a stench to them, because he was openly pro-life. They basically persecuted him until he finally closed up shop. I know he’s been on some medical mission trips, but don’t know what he’s doing now.<BR/><BR/>My concern is that with a president who is so vehemently pro-death, the pressure will become even greater. No "tolerance" for dissenting views.<BR/><BR/>Dan, sorry this was so long!Herding Grasshoppershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15668974245505544238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-34661159972409890862009-03-07T11:35:00.000-06:002009-03-07T11:35:00.000-06:00"Mark, I think you're ranting a bit. All I said wa..."Mark, I think you're ranting a bit. All I said was that I support the rights of individuals to choose how to run their businesses, even if I don't like those business practices myself. The same goes for the right to free expression, even if the things expressed turn my stomach."<BR/><BR/><BR/>~Actually I was just trying to express my point of view at length in order to avoid sounding like I was short-shrifting you in any way. I usually try to be very brief but then risk coming across wrong and I wanted to be clear.~Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01819856178499938127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-53816702966656799852009-03-07T10:31:00.000-06:002009-03-07T10:31:00.000-06:00Amen, Jay and Daryl.Lest we forget, Jesus not only...Amen, Jay and Daryl.<BR/><BR/>Lest we forget, Jesus not only preached the Gospel to those with what we deem 'more excusable' sins, but also to those who were hypocrites(Niccodemous)<BR/>and Thieves(the man on the Cross).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-53441686839411725112009-03-07T10:22:00.000-06:002009-03-07T10:22:00.000-06:00Nothing to add to the discussion, really, except t...Nothing to add to the discussion, really, except to note that I think Jay's got it right.<BR/><BR/>Everyone who is not a believer is taking part in an ungodly lifestyle. Get used to it. Spread the gospel.<BR/><BR/>I once worked with a guy who wouldn't deal with a co-worker because she lived with her boyfriend. How is that different from Aaron's friend? In principle I'm not sure that it is.<BR/><BR/>And, as I think has been asked, would he refuse to provide services to a guy with his girlfriend? A guy who smokes dope? A guy who baptizes babies?<BR/><BR/>Slippery slope methinks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-84211875813823163292009-03-06T22:56:00.000-06:002009-03-06T22:56:00.000-06:00Mark, I think you're ranting a bit. All I said wa...Mark, I think you're ranting a bit. All I said was that I support the rights of individuals to choose how to run their businesses, even if I don't like those business practices myself. The same goes for the right to free expression, even if the things expressed turn my stomach.<BR/><BR/>Similarly, I support the right for someone to practice a false religion, which is not to say I'll respect a false religion, just the freedom to practice it.<BR/><BR/>Basically, the reason I support these things is because the freedom to practice a false religion is the same freedom to practice the True one, and the freedom to make bad business choices is the same freedom to make good ones, and the freedom to express horrid things is also the freedom to proclaim the Gospel.<BR/><BR/>At least, that's how it's <I>supposed</I> to be. We'll see after we're through with this administration.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15232291579882899350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-34943988369168180252009-03-06T22:14:00.000-06:002009-03-06T22:14:00.000-06:00"So then you really don't support a business' righ..."So then you really don't support a business' right to do or not do business as they please. If you did you'd let him do as he pleased.<BR/><BR/>Wrong. It's like me not watching a movie that promotes violence or nudity. I support the rights of the filmmakers to make that movie but they won't get a dime from me. The distinction, I think, is pretty simple."<BR/><BR/><BR/>~I think perhaps the use of the word "support" is what's throwing me. I don't support the rights of anyone to make something clearly harmful to others. I know that puts me in conflict with the "guaranteed freedoms" of the USA, which I love by the way, but that's ok. <BR/><BR/>It's like I don't respect false religions just because it's the free choice of the individual. I don't respect those religions in the least because they're sending people to Hell. <BR/><BR/>Yet I get confused or disgusted looks from many people who think I should respect other religions. <BR/><BR/>I don't, I just don't. I'm not gonna knock anybody over the head for choosing wrong (unless they chose to physically hurt someone in my presence) but I'm not gonna support their right to make that wrong choice when it causes damage to others.<BR/><BR/>I once knew a lady who would not rent even to unmarried couples much less homosexual pairings. What she did made a lot of people mad but it was for their good even if they didn't know it. <BR/><BR/>God gave us the ability to choose, but I'd be hard pressed to find him supporting our choices themselves when they're wrong.~Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01819856178499938127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-64477941099316127832009-03-06T21:53:00.000-06:002009-03-06T21:53:00.000-06:00That zoolander parody is just weird.That zoolander parody is just weird.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18020545216146221963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-8369394708371151922009-03-06T21:31:00.000-06:002009-03-06T21:31:00.000-06:00Julie:Re: the referrals. I've always wondered...Julie:<BR/><BR/>Re: the referrals. I've always wondered how mcuh OBGYNS have to do with abortion, at least on a regular basis. I mean do women who want abortions go to a normal OBGYN rather than proceeding to the local planned parenthood?<BR/><BR/>I also find it ironic that doctors are taking this tact. Would they treat other procedures in the same way? Physicians turn down requests by patients all the time for cosmetic surgeries, and other procedures (that aren't cosmetic) that they don't think is in the best interest of their patient.<BR/><BR/>I wonder if doctors could say "no" because the patient isn't insured. My insurance doesn't cover abortions (Except in the case of life threatening instances..which apparently covers D&Cs where the fetus is already deceased). Christian doctors may have to stop accepting certain insurance in order to prevent themselves from doing certain procedures.<BR/><BR/>After they nationalize healthcare, I suppose abortions will be the only procedure where you wont have to wait in line.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285043747501470199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-73069941283126577382009-03-06T21:23:00.000-06:002009-03-06T21:23:00.000-06:00just a FYI: my comment about the landscaper wasn'...just a FYI: my comment about the landscaper wasn't meant to generate a debate about whether the landscaper was in the right, but just to illustrate that the homosexual movement can be most violent. wjen I said the attacks were "vicious", I should have been more specific. Many homosexuals threatened to sodomize his children, rape his wife, kill his family, and do many other horrible things.<BR/><BR/>HSAT, I vehemently disagree with Jay.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285043747501470199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-4720494656022988432009-03-06T20:41:00.000-06:002009-03-06T20:41:00.000-06:00Speaking of stirring up a hornet's nest:http://fai...Speaking of stirring up a hornet's nest:<BR/><BR/>http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/fail-owned-disease-fail1.jpg<BR/><BR/>http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/fail-owned-satan-fail.jpgGilberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05267525662313103148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-53685742308989558492009-03-06T20:03:00.000-06:002009-03-06T20:03:00.000-06:00Would someone please quote the section or sections...Would someone please quote the section or sections of the California Constitution that defines the distinction between "amending" and "revising" the state constitution?<BR/><BR/>I can't find any, other than it seems that "amending" is what the people do with through the voter initiative process, and "revising" is what the legislature does.Mike Westfallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06944727980772754938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-55861084333065522432009-03-06T19:38:00.000-06:002009-03-06T19:38:00.000-06:00I think the difference with homosexuality is that ...<I>I think the difference with homosexuality is that while it's not the "worst sin," it is a sin that is flaunted in an OPEN-rebellion-against-God kind of way.</I><BR/><BR/>So would be a bachelor who took home a different female lover every weekend, or a Hindu couple, or an unwed straight couple who were living together. I don't know if he would turn those down as well, but if he wouldn't my opinion of him still stands.<BR/><BR/>And even if he would, I still think that is quite the missed opportunity to use one's career to help one forge relationships with non-believers.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15232291579882899350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-45678981340648276752009-03-06T19:23:00.000-06:002009-03-06T19:23:00.000-06:00TGD,I'm not sure which is scarier!Still, isn't God...TGD,<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure which is scarier!<BR/><BR/>Still, isn't God detail-oriented?! The honey-bees can withstand 118F and the hornet, only 115F. So they roast him. (Uh, yeah, just how many trial-and-error evolutionary sequences would <I>that</I> take to evolve? Duh.)<BR/><BR/>Sweet dreams...Herding Grasshoppershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15668974245505544238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-35169901637213833052009-03-06T19:14:00.000-06:002009-03-06T19:14:00.000-06:00I think the difference with homosexuality is that ...I think the difference with homosexuality is that while it's not the "worst sin," it is a sin that is flaunted in an OPEN-rebellion-against-God kind of way. <BR/><BR/>I think it's plausible that he could have turned them down based on the fact that they own the property together, as a "couple," and he would effectively be beautifying the outside of their "love shack." If he feels convicted about that, I'm not going to judge him.<BR/><BR/>I rather doubt he did it out of hatred.SolaMommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07569633683299802644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-53573105976194178612009-03-06T19:11:00.000-06:002009-03-06T19:11:00.000-06:00Julie:That hornet is going to give me nightmares. ...<B>Julie</B>:<BR/><EM>That hornet is going to give me nightmares. Yikes!</EM><BR/><BR/>I offer up <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr9hoRFIyuc" REL="nofollow">this bit</A> of, umm, poetic justice, as a possible antidote.<BR/><BR/>Of course, when the video ends, you should nod your head dutifully and murmur, "Isn't evolution <EM>wonderful</EM>???"threegirldadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10514416693800430357noreply@blogger.com