tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post6896423760685071397..comments2024-03-01T21:01:15.174-06:00Comments on Biblical Christianity: Don't miss these 10/27/08DJPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-47281833662996749432008-10-27T23:02:00.000-05:002008-10-27T23:02:00.000-05:00Kate: Someone* notified the authorities that they ...Kate: <B><I>Someone* notified the authorities that they thought this boy was being abused.</I></B><BR/><BR/>The articles that Dan links already explained how the authorities were notified. One of the child's siblings told his teacher about the spanking and the teacher reported it to social services. <BR/><BR/>Also, the proverb is not spare the rod, spoil the child (I realize that's what it sort of has become in American culture I guess). Here is the actual Proverb 13:24: <I>Whoever spares the rod, <B>hates</B> his son, but he who loves him is diligent to <B>discipline</B>.</I><BR/><BR/>Also Proverbs 23: 13-14 <I>Do not withhold discipline from a child;<BR/>if you <B>strike</B> him with a rod he will not die. If you <B>strike</B> him with the rod, you will save his soul from Sheol.</I> Bible's words, not mine.<BR/><BR/>There is also nothing to suggest in report that the father didn't discipline his child in love. His son testified that he was warned by his father that if he continued to lie, he would be spanked. He testified that he had a chance to tell the truth but that he didn't take that chance. His son also testified that both he and his father both cried during the paddling.<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry that you spanked your daughter in anger Kate, and I'm sorry that your dad beat you for no good reason, but if you read the article thoroughly what happened with what you did with your daughter is not what this father did with his son. The doctor (again, in the story that Dan linked) already stated in his report that the doctor that looked at the child didn't think the child was abused and in his words thinks this was a "social services fiasco." The problem is you got a overreaching district attorney who believes when you paddle a child on the rear end, you shouldn't leave any bruises.<BR/><BR/>The book of Proverbs is about general principles and one of the general principle is if you spare the rod, you hate your children.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01912897040503058967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-59728058286819613422008-10-27T22:17:00.000-05:002008-10-27T22:17:00.000-05:00Daryl,I am in no way suggesting that we refrain fr...Daryl,<BR/><BR/>I am in no way suggesting that we refrain from disciplining, and yes even spanking, our children when they need it and even though it is unpleasant for us. There are a few things we need to be careful of though. One of them is to make sure that any discipline is done in private. *Someone* notified the authorities that they thought this boy was being abused. In this society of uber-sensitive child protection, we can't even discipline with a window open, for fear that someone might hear our kid crying. After all, children don't cry unless they're being abused, right? (Please take that last sentence in the sarcastic tone in which it is meant.)<BR/><BR/>Another is, make sure the discipline is effective. Know your kids. Some kids respond well to less physical means of discipline such as time-outs, removal of privileges, etc. Others, well, they need a good swat on the behind once in a while. <BR/><BR/>The question I am asking, though, is how far is too far? Where is the line between discipline and abuse? My parents used spanking - sometimes effectively, sometimes not. My dad once beat me too harshly for no good reason, and I remember the emotional pain to this day. Not the physical, the emotional. I forgave him long ago and believe me I wish I could forget it, but it's still there. Were there times I deserved spankings? Sure. That time though, I didn't. Not only that but he went too far even if I had deserved it. He completely lost his temper and took it out on me, inappropriately. I pray that God will give me wisdom and grace not to do that to my daughter, or to any more children we may have.<BR/><BR/>Again I am not saying we shouldn't discipline our kids. Of course we should. A lot of society's problems are due to a couple of generations of parents who have indulged their kids' every desire and refused to see that they are fallen, sinful people. What I am saying is that, like all of our Christian life, we should discipline our kids prayerfully and in love.Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16546522204947671457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-77771942022023497542008-10-27T20:44:00.000-05:002008-10-27T20:44:00.000-05:00Refusal to read blog rules — to say nothing of any...Refusal to read blog rules — to say nothing of anything else in the blog except "Post Comment" — doesn't actually make the rules go away.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-66487462477140732322008-10-27T20:23:00.000-05:002008-10-27T20:23:00.000-05:00Kate,That verse may not mandate corporal punishmen...Kate,<BR/>That verse may not mandate corporal punishment but how about "Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child but the rod of correction will drive it far from him."<BR/>or this<BR/><BR/>Proverbs 23:13<BR/><BR/>"Do not hold back discipline from the child,Although you strike him with the rod, he will not die."<BR/><BR/>Sounds to me like the good pastor is on the right trackAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-49968247846764318132008-10-27T20:08:00.000-05:002008-10-27T20:08:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Neil Cameron (One Salient Oversight)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03143948543305522865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-65558270792876405012008-10-27T17:23:00.000-05:002008-10-27T17:23:00.000-05:00The proverb "Spare the rod and spoil the child" is...The proverb "Spare the rod and spoil the child" is not specific about HOW we are to discipline, it only gives us freedom to use corporal punishment. Also I did not say that I agree that the government should have intervened, I only said that they might have a case. I meant legally speaking, not from a Biblical perspective. As far as bruising our children in the name of discipline, I'll ask you the same thing... where in the Bible does it say we ARE to paddle our children black and blue?<BR/><BR/>Also; "Be angry, but in your anger do not sin." Again I cannot speak for this boy's father as to whether he was acting out of anger or not. I know that when I did, it was sin and I needed to repent. I cannot judge another's heart.Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16546522204947671457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-85830493631169903452008-10-27T16:25:00.000-05:002008-10-27T16:25:00.000-05:00I agree, Becky. It's impressive.That's why I linke...I agree, Becky. It's impressive.<BR/><BR/>That's why I linked to it <A HREF="http://bibchr.blogspot.com/2008/10/dont-miss-these.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.<BR/><BR/>(c:DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-33213147298417898442008-10-27T16:17:00.000-05:002008-10-27T16:17:00.000-05:00Concerning honest reporting; here is another impre...Concerning honest reporting; here is another impressive article, by a democrat: http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/081017light.html.Becky Schellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17770865501944518003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-6359905441888977502008-10-27T15:03:00.000-05:002008-10-27T15:03:00.000-05:00Your opinions about bruises, paddles, anger, the r...Your opinions about bruises, paddles, anger, the reach of law into the home — ever run them by a Bible? If so, what happened?DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-20947862984370341622008-10-27T15:01:00.000-05:002008-10-27T15:01:00.000-05:00Wow, that's a lot to cover in one post. In regard...Wow, that's a lot to cover in one post. In regards to the article about the spanking pastor - while I believe that spanking is a viable form of punishment in some cases for some children, spanking with a paddle hard enough to leave bruises is, at best, questionable behavior. I think the authorities have a decent case on that one.<BR/><BR/>I once spanked my 2 yr old for not obeying in the bathtub. It left a red mark in the shape of my hand for about an hour. I felt so terrible about it that I cried. I also had to repent because I realized after the fact that I had spanked her in anger, something every child discipline book I have read says NOT to do (not just the secular ones). I should have calmed down, taken a deep breath, prayed, then if I was still going to spank her, I should have done it out of love, not anger.<BR/><BR/>I don't know if this boy's father prayed about it prior to spanking him. I understand that if he has arthritis, he can't spank with his hands. I even understand using a paddle. But, it is possible to use a paddle without leaving bruises. Also was HE spanking in anger, or in love? How did the authorities find out about the spanking? These are questions none of us can answer, since we were not there.Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16546522204947671457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-38697931125171636742008-10-27T13:55:00.000-05:002008-10-27T13:55:00.000-05:00A couple of weeks ago Al Mohler's radio program fe...A couple of weeks ago Al Mohler's radio program featured <A HREF="http://albertmohler.com/radio_show.php?cdate=2008-10-09" REL="nofollow">a program on spanking</A>. Somewhere in there it mentioned a UN initiative to eradicate spanking (or "smacking" for you UK readers) in all countries by 2009. <BR/><BR/>I did a Google search, but only found vague references to it, nothing specific. And nothing on the UN site. Anyone heard something more on this?Matt Gummhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698469400042045105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-44166818443489088182008-10-27T10:30:00.000-05:002008-10-27T10:30:00.000-05:00Here in New Mexico (and perhaps anywhere where the...Here in New Mexico (and perhaps anywhere where there is a significant hispanic population), there are a lot of campaign signs that read, "Obamanos!"<BR/><BR/>Those of you who understand even a little Spanish will recognize that this can be translated to "let us Obamafy ourselves," or perhaps as a plea to some third party: "Obamafy us."<BR/><BR/>My first thought when I saw these signs popping up was that it was somewhat like a supplication to a Higher Power to grant us redemption.<BR/><BR/>I shudder for the unborn -- and born -- babies if God grants us Obamafication.Mike Westfallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06944727980772754938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-57484419857356553822008-10-27T09:33:00.000-05:002008-10-27T09:33:00.000-05:00High compliment, Chris. Thanks. I try.High compliment, Chris. Thanks. I try.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-33238079017384595302008-10-27T09:32:00.000-05:002008-10-27T09:32:00.000-05:00Your blog's slogan (were it to have one) for this ...Your blog's slogan (were it to have one) for this election should be: An IV of critical thinking for the infection of MDS/PDS the MSM gave you.Chris Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09852172543604796279noreply@blogger.com