tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post8618079070996625084..comments2024-03-01T21:01:15.174-06:00Comments on Biblical Christianity: Gospel clarification questionDJPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-45298433797745196982010-05-06T19:16:57.876-05:002010-05-06T19:16:57.876-05:00Halcyon:
Yeah...I was thinking of the exact same ...Halcyon:<br /><br />Yeah...I was thinking of the exact same (half-)verse as a reply, then got all grammatico-historical on myself and ditched it.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-3948665695173379962010-05-06T13:38:19.617-05:002010-05-06T13:38:19.617-05:00Stefan
Presbyterian? Yes.
Hyper-covenantal? Good...<b>Stefan</b><br /><br />Presbyterian? Yes.<br /><br />Hyper-covenantal? Goodness, no!<br /><br />I actually meant just the first part of the verse: "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ...." Discussions on the latter part of it usually leave my head swimming and (as my word verification says) "bleding".Halcyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12264274336322086961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-87921347065463791422010-05-05T22:07:42.468-05:002010-05-05T22:07:42.468-05:00I was getting at the fact that loading anything th...I was getting at the fact that loading anything that we can, should, or will do into the preaching of the Gospel as a constituent part of getting right with God makes it a false Gospel.<br /><br />Whether I've five decades of life left or five seconds, I'll never be able, expected, or required to add one penny to what Jesus accomplished for His people on the cross.<br /><br />Now, as to discipleship, as to the <i>results</i> and <i>fruit</i> of salvation — that is a distinct issue.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-22592344374511456032010-05-05T21:55:57.609-05:002010-05-05T21:55:57.609-05:00I recently have stumbled onto your blog and Pyro. ...I recently have stumbled onto your blog and Pyro. <br /><br />It has gotten quite heated lately in my life with my Christian friends when I came onto realization that "being called" or "following God's will for your life" or "has God laid it on your heart" is not biblical. <br /><br />I really like the question you have posed to your readers but I want to make sure I got this right.<br /><br />Were you expecting people to say to the 80 year old that if you believe that Jesus Christ has died for your sins then he will forgive you and you will have eternal life? Only to leave it at that because his time is limited.<br /><br />Where as with the 18 year old you would say the say thing but as soon as they accepted Jesus you would say something like:<br /><br />"Awesome, now that you are a Christian let me read to you the fine print. You now have to do this, this and this. Oops... Did you just sin again? Make sure you ask for forgiveness because even though you are saved and the bible says that God takes away all of your sins you have to ask for forgiveness or there are grave consequences! Are you not right with God? To not be right with God is to be in sin so if you are "feeling" this way then you must have done something wrong. Maybe you should reflect on your life and lock yourself in the closet so that you can spend quiet time with God and you can hear his voice and what he saying to you. Oh what is that you say? He is calling you to ministry? Great, How do you know? Well... You see... You just will know! Don't question his calling, who are you to question God? Go to seminary because if you deny the calling then you are in sin."<br /><br />Is this along the line of what you are talking about or am I completely off base?Adda717https://www.blogger.com/profile/12130490963310097013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-66532534107089931622010-05-05T20:52:37.718-05:002010-05-05T20:52:37.718-05:00Like this post a lot. The answer is so obvious on...Like this post a lot. The answer is so obvious once you set up the juxtaposition like that.<br /><br />(BTW, that 18 year old "dude" looks like the actor who played Prince Caspian in the Narnia movie!)Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08289347868497438542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-89094123172022707162010-05-05T17:56:36.831-05:002010-05-05T17:56:36.831-05:00DJP: "If you give either one a fundamentally...<b>DJP</b>: "If you give either one a fundamentally different answer, then you are preaching a false Gospel to at least one of those people."<br /><br /><b>Mike Riccardi</b>: "Fundamentally" is the key word."<br /><br />Mike Riccardi is spot-on.<br /><br />Key Question: Would Jesus present the Gospel EXACTLY the same in both of these situations?Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-15588300206134279882010-05-05T15:55:56.818-05:002010-05-05T15:55:56.818-05:00Carson said it was a question [like] this that bro...<i>Carson said it was a question [like] this that brought NT Wright to a dead halt.</i><br /><br />I'm curious about this statement and I want to know more.Rebecca Starkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04648669478887197766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-6674102612963799372010-05-05T13:45:14.966-05:002010-05-05T13:45:14.966-05:00I think Dan is a secret Hemingway fan, paring it a...I think Dan is a secret Hemingway fan, paring it all down to the bone—actually marrow, more like it.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-72469899500552771352010-05-05T13:33:07.834-05:002010-05-05T13:33:07.834-05:00Dan you should get the iVerbosity app for your pho...Dan you should get the iVerbosity app for your phone. It takes simple plain prose and turns it into wordy, flabby statements which circle round but never land on the point.<br /><br />I know a couple of preachers who must be using it, and have seen it applied with great effect on some blog comments.Family Blogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139302128402850028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-40919845990617293002010-05-05T13:13:15.821-05:002010-05-05T13:13:15.821-05:00A question about the gospel brought NT Wright to a...A question about the gospel <i>brought NT Wright to a dead halt</i>?<br /><br />Say it ain't so!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-21995617536276170712010-05-05T13:13:15.820-05:002010-05-05T13:13:15.820-05:00Dan:
Face it.
You're just a big old meanie.
...Dan:<br /><br />Face it.<br /><br />You're just a big old meanie.<br /><br />You ask, "What is 2 + 2?"<br /><br />Several people (like, at least a dozen) answer "4."<br /><br />And you reply: "No, it's 4 <i>because of</i> the properties of the additive operation in arithmetic."<br /><br />I mean, gee willikers!<br /><br />In fact, a number of people (this humble sinner excluded) explicitly pointed out that not only is the Gospel message the same, but that age has nothing to do with it, for none of us knows our appointed hour.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-17568216005595598002010-05-05T11:24:41.538-05:002010-05-05T11:24:41.538-05:00Question LIKE thisQuestion LIKE thisDJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-28304800726643470002010-05-05T11:23:26.421-05:002010-05-05T11:23:26.421-05:00Well, I find a new problem. Some blogs are being b...Well, I find a new problem. Some blogs are being blocked at my work, including this one and Pyro. So that will be a complicating factor.<br /><br />My point in the post was to provoke myself (and you) to reflect. In presenting the Gospel, would consideration of how much time the person has left be a consideration? Carson said it was a question Luke this that brought NT Wright to a dead halt.<br /><br />So my point was that time remaining makes NO difference to the Biblical Gospel, as it leaves us with nothing whatever to contribute to our salvation.<br /><br />I might be more verbose if I weren't iPhoning.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-21438589727796334222010-05-05T10:38:23.652-05:002010-05-05T10:38:23.652-05:00If the imminent death of the old fellow drives me ...If the imminent death of the old fellow drives me with urgency and passion to strive with all my heart to make the certainty of both damnation without Christ, and reconciliation through Christ known, and I lack that same urgency and passion with the younger fellow, then I am missing something fundamental in my gospel presentation to the younger fellow.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06734845463331170748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-34121929214523973962010-05-05T08:14:39.898-05:002010-05-05T08:14:39.898-05:00I'd tell David Paul Regier that he's too f...I'd tell David Paul Regier that he's too far gone -- he cannot be saved. K-thanks-bye.<br /><br />But to Dan's point, why would you not say to both, "my friend: repent of your sin, and believe in Christ who died to save sinners like me, and like you?"<br /><br />I have this fear that someone would, but I can't for the life of me see why.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-29661533483399543942010-05-05T06:55:28.373-05:002010-05-05T06:55:28.373-05:00DJP must be feeling a little like John Houseman ri...DJP must be feeling a little like John Houseman right now. “You teach yourself the Word and I’ll teach you to think like a Christian!” <br /><br />I got his point, but choose not to reveal it, though I do wish he would wear a hat to cover it up.JackWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16384160992033491748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-75797479084130809972010-05-05T00:28:04.981-05:002010-05-05T00:28:04.981-05:00Yeah, but what would you tell me?Yeah, but what would you tell <i>me</i>?David Regierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09766862583586784668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-49391022102249347852010-05-05T00:20:09.363-05:002010-05-05T00:20:09.363-05:00What you tell them first is the same - repent and ...What you tell them <i>first</i> is the same - repent and believe the gospel.<br /><br />But what you tell them <i>next</i> might be different. For the older man, it's "Today you will be with Me in paradise." For the yoot, it's "go into all the world and make disciples."Rachael Starkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781158372237369417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-56837964206703632152010-05-05T00:14:21.110-05:002010-05-05T00:14:21.110-05:00I just went into Dan's head. Sin,
pizza recipe...I just went into Dan's head. Sin,<br />pizza recipes, and you can't believe the number of Proverbs littering the floor! I closed him up and have no desire to do THAT again.<br /><br />Uh...<br /><br />The point is both need exactly the same thing, presented the same way. When Dan walks out of his house, he is Dan. When he gets into his car, he is Dan. When he posts on Pyro, he is Dan. When he was still in his mother's womb, he was Dan.<br /><br />A drowning man or woman, irregardless of age, needs a rope with maybe a knot on the end. Now, that rope can be thin or thick, white or pink colored, but it must be a rope with someone strong enough to save you, lest you get pulled into the depths.<br /><br />We focus on the color of the rope, the length of the rope, the thickness. All we need is a doggone rope! It's up to the person on the other end whether or not he/she grabs onto it. And it doesn't depend at all whether or not you are strong enough to pull the person in. Throwing out the rope is your job; pulling the sinner in is God's job, regardless of the age (or anything else) of the one to be rescued. He threw it out for you. Now Jesus says, "Go and do likewise". It's the same thing, no matter who you are, and who you throw the rope to.<br /><br />Having said all that, I probably missed the point by a mile.<br />I blame global warming. ;-)Gilberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05267525662313103148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-62163939124364976922010-05-04T23:29:23.778-05:002010-05-04T23:29:23.778-05:00"Unless (reflecting on Andrew's 1:52 post..."Unless (reflecting on Andrew's 1:52 post) you decided to go all Todd Bentley and use the cattle prod."<br /><br />I'll be laughing about that until I fall asleep tonight!<br /><br /><i>Squirrel</i>The Squirrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14082708506676251152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-14480008652608730742010-05-04T22:18:11.824-05:002010-05-04T22:18:11.824-05:00Patrick, that is interesting.
Julie - legalist.
...Patrick, that is interesting.<br /><br />Julie - legalist.<br /><br />:^PDJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-4692928865227867722010-05-04T22:14:34.975-05:002010-05-04T22:14:34.975-05:00Interesting post. This is the exact question I as...Interesting post. This is the exact question I asked a Catholic friend of mine and certainly there were two different answers.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18102764056482609269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-34200188550352452172010-05-04T22:07:56.473-05:002010-05-04T22:07:56.473-05:00Dan, you did ask what would you tell them. Twice....Dan, you <i>did</i> ask what would you tell them. Twice.<br /><br />You tell them the same thing.<br /><br />Praise God, their fear of death is a step in the right direction. Man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment.<br /><br />And proceed with the rest of the Gospel.<br /><br />Unless (reflecting on Andrew's 1:52 post) you decided to go all Todd Bentley and use the cattle prod.Herding Grasshoppershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15668974245505544238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-39355188446325125792010-05-04T21:21:17.080-05:002010-05-04T21:21:17.080-05:00I'm kind of lost myself with this post. But I...I'm kind of lost myself with this post. But I'll give my thoughts, they both need to know that they stand condemned before God, that they would be Guilty at the judgment seat, that Christ paid the penalty for their sin, if they repent and believe in Christ for their souls salvation.<br /><br />For the younger, I probably bring up the story of the Tower of Siloam to point out that none of us are guaranteed another day, and in fact death comes unexpectedly frequently so that he knows that Today is the acceptable time of salvation, of course, I'd go to that too if they elderly man didn't understand the urgency of his situation.Gov98https://www.blogger.com/profile/08591233575630981982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-39544187033072540302010-05-04T20:06:40.567-05:002010-05-04T20:06:40.567-05:00Oh, and meant to mention:
I didn't ask what a...Oh, and meant to mention:<br /><br />I didn't ask what anyone would tell them.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />But of course, that's fine, too. Just wasn't my point.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.com