tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post8737803437460007601..comments2024-03-01T21:01:15.174-06:00Comments on Biblical Christianity: National Day of Prayer: in which I disagree with Shirley Dobson and everyoneDJPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-72036198669622313082009-05-09T14:31:00.000-05:002009-05-09T14:31:00.000-05:00Hi everyone,
After reading this post I must say I...Hi everyone,<br /><br />After reading this post I must say I agree. I think it would be laughable for the most blatant false convert in history (e.g., our new President whom I will NOT allow the dignity of naming) to be present at a NDP meeting. First of all, I have to say I'm confused by Mrs. Dobson’s indignant attitude. Is she (and other socially conservative Christians) so blinded by "values” that she has forgotten it isn’t about values but about a passionate love affair with God?<br /><br />Second, does God EVER listen to the prayers of a non Christian—for example, if a non believer's mother is dying of cancer and that non Christian cries out to God to save their mom, and if (according to what I've been hearing) God ignores that prayer, isn't that (as much as I hate to bring our this argument) cruel?<br /><br />Third, does God listen to the prayers of TRUE Christians who have not confessed various sins?<br />Just some things I was wondering about.<br /><br />In awe of Him,<br /><br />~DavidDavid Alveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09252954313261233579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-46820446202238316972009-05-08T00:18:00.000-05:002009-05-08T00:18:00.000-05:00The last time I checked, some people actually beli...The last time I checked, some people actually believe that Jesus came to America....Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08289347868497438542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-49471408943837863412009-05-07T17:30:00.000-05:002009-05-07T17:30:00.000-05:00I wouldn't mind the part about feasting and drinki...I wouldn't mind the part about feasting and drinking strong drink to the Lord (which is modernly translated as just spicy grape juice).<br /><br />I think we've lifted off now.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285043747501470199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-30995434999356764312009-05-07T16:46:00.000-05:002009-05-07T16:46:00.000-05:00You've activated the launch sequence...You've activated the launch sequence...Carol Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10673519352535257199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-38898432388344521692009-05-07T16:20:00.000-05:002009-05-07T16:20:00.000-05:00Clearly you forget that America - no, the United S...Clearly you forget that America - no, the United States of America - is the New Israel without, of course, all of the hard parts like giving up clam chowder. If we would just repent then God would (be obligated to) restore our hegemony over Europe and Asia, our car companies would be number one again and our dignitaries could stop bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia.RThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08285891444546787144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-20588208097009316382009-05-07T16:11:00.000-05:002009-05-07T16:11:00.000-05:00Sure — ironically playing off of an ignorance of (...Sure — ironically playing off of an ignorance of (it's my blog, I'll just say it) <B>dispensations</B>.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-21770376112352290942009-05-07T16:09:00.000-05:002009-05-07T16:09:00.000-05:00And the shellfish. Don't forget the shellfish. It'...And the shellfish. Don't forget the shellfish. It's in the official liberal theology talking points.Carol Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10673519352535257199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-89230862862438916412009-05-07T15:26:00.000-05:002009-05-07T15:26:00.000-05:00LOL, yes, you're right. That is a bit of a "Next!"...LOL, yes, you're right. That is a bit of a "Next!"<br /><br />I started to launch into an explanation, then I thought, "Why not distill it?"<br /><br />You could go the whole thing:<br /><br />"Do you like ham sandwiches? Do you wear clothes with mixed fabrics? When you sin, do you bring your lamb to the Jerusalem temple?"DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-58897522259297162262009-05-07T15:20:00.000-05:002009-05-07T15:20:00.000-05:00Well, that should do it. A bit like a NEXT! answe...Well, that should do it. A bit like a NEXT! answer. <br /><br />I am most happy to not be living under those particular rules. Southern women do like to cook with their pork products!<br /><br />thanks.semhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01900106806293193071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-79443755885862222462009-05-07T14:42:00.001-05:002009-05-07T14:42:00.001-05:00SEM — How do you gently disabuse people of the not...<B>SEM </B><I>— How do you gently disabuse people of the notion that everything written in the Old Testament is directly applicable to them i.e. sensus plenoir</I>?<br /><br />Ask if they like ham sandwiches?DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-6066897794317103922009-05-07T14:41:00.000-05:002009-05-07T14:41:00.000-05:00I'm just impressed that everyone knows what "sensu...I'm just impressed that everyone knows what "sensus plenoir" means. I actually had to look it up the last time Dan used it. I confess I have to look up a lot of words between Dan and Phil. But I did know and have used vituperation in the past, so I felt pretty good about that.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285043747501470199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-2807491353774643072009-05-07T13:19:00.000-05:002009-05-07T13:19:00.000-05:00DJP-
How do you gently disabuse people of the noti...DJP-<br />How do you gently disabuse people of the notion that everything written in the Old Testament is directly applicable to them i.e. sensus plenoir?semhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01900106806293193071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-72735296692694679772009-05-07T11:42:00.000-05:002009-05-07T11:42:00.000-05:00Wait.
Are you sayin' that verse has no sensus plen...Wait.<br />Are you sayin' that verse has no <I>sensus plenoir</I> for us modern Christians?Mike Westfallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06944727980772754938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-39877900633718046072009-05-07T11:35:00.000-05:002009-05-07T11:35:00.000-05:00Dan,
Yup. When I hear that verse quoted I'm alway...Dan,<br /><br />Yup. When I hear that verse quoted I'm always tempted to respond with something like:<br /><br />"Now, if only we had a land"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-44251864615705810042009-05-07T11:30:00.000-05:002009-05-07T11:30:00.000-05:00Amen. Great verse for Israel. God grant that they ...Amen. Great verse for Israel. God grant that they come to repent and acknowledge their Messiah!DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-87224400893350472342009-05-07T11:29:00.000-05:002009-05-07T11:29:00.000-05:002nd Chronicles, Chap 7, Verse 14:
"If my people, w...2nd Chronicles, Chap 7, Verse 14:<br />"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, <B>and will heal their land.</B>"<br />(emphasis mine)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08853395942592782998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-89200073183740913132009-05-07T11:12:00.000-05:002009-05-07T11:12:00.000-05:00My 17-year-old and I went to a prayer breakfast in...My 17-year-old and I went to a prayer breakfast in our small town, mostly because our state representative was speaking about "Do we have a prayer" and we wanted to hear what he had to say. <br /><br />It was an odd event.<br /><br />First, it was nice to hear the legislator speak openly about his faith and quote scripture.<br /><br />A local school board member offered a strong, Christ-centered prayer.<br /><br />Then came the weirdness. There was "intercessory prayer" around the breakfast tables (with basically, strangers). There was a clergy person assigned to each table to lead the festivities. I think ours might have been Episcopalian (do they wear the collars?) He instructed everyone that we would be praying around the table. Immediately, you could see panic on several faces. <br /><br />Undeterred, the clergyman began with his prayer for social justice for those on the margins of society. The Catholic councilman went next (all heads bowed):<br /><br />"When I go to church I usually pray something like this: I pray for my parents and that God would bless my kids and that St. Christopher or whoever would protect them. And those poor kids at St. Judes hospital. I always remember to pray for those poor, sick kids - that God would take care of them - I feel so sorry for those poor kids...."<br /><br />Next up was the wife of another councilman: "hmmm...I don't know how to do this very well....I pray for our country and for world peace"<br /><br />Then her husband, the councilman, who I have heard make some very racist comments: "God, help us to get back to our roots in this country and our Christian values that are slipping away."<br /><br />My turn: I prayed for our leaders, that they would seek God and his word as the only source of truth and true wisdom. Quoted James 1:5 (shoulda kept going) Prayed for our troops and their families. Shoulda said a lot more : (<br /><br />17-year-old son's turn: prayed that our leaders would seek God and his will in making all their decisions. Thanked God for freedom to pray openly in our country. <br /><br />The clergy-person closed, nervous giggles all around. AWKWARD! <br /><br />All around weird event. Still, God's word was spoken, albeit minimally. And THAT won't return void, unlike some of those creepy "prayers" we heard around the table. None of the speakers said anything contrary to scripture, so I'm grateful for that. I guess it wasn't a complete loss. And a good breakfast was served at the American Legion hall, which makes it almost worth the $8 ticket price : )Carol Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10673519352535257199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-47693634828528779252009-05-07T01:42:00.000-05:002009-05-07T01:42:00.000-05:00Okay, just checked in on Facebook and saw that som...Okay, just checked in on Facebook and saw that some of my (women, why is it always women!!) friends are joining some "Save the National Day of Prayer" thing with the usual misquoted 2 Chronicles 7:14 all over it....<br /><br />I actually don't struggle so much with card-carrying pagans and generally well-maeaning non-Christians of various types saying ignorant things, because they're ignorant.<br /><br />But when supposedly Spirit-filled sisters sign up for this stuff? Just. makes. me. mad.Rachael Starkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781158372237369417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-22460184489125794762009-05-06T21:41:00.000-05:002009-05-06T21:41:00.000-05:00Ah; card-carrying pagans.Ah; <I>card-carrying</I> pagans.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-60253398970159911172009-05-06T21:18:00.000-05:002009-05-06T21:18:00.000-05:00I always show up late for these discussions. I was...I always show up late for these discussions. I was amazed to hear that secular people offer to pray for professing christians. That's a new one to me. <br /><br />I live in Seattle, where the likelihood of encountering a professing christian on the street is close to nil. We have plenty of professing pagans. I mean real, certified gov. inspect grade AAA pagans. Not just folks that sort of play around with it but the kind that actually worship other gods. <br /><br />I have a deep suspicion of all things governmental. When our new fearless leader payed his dues to the baby killers withing a few days of his nomination I just wrote him off. Asked my black college student friend what his extended family thought about it. Told me the don't much care about abortion. That kind of bother me. Margaret Sanger was all in favor of killing black babies, millions of them, the more the better.C. Stirling Bartholomewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03571440237755902925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-57815039837094275392009-05-06T20:17:00.000-05:002009-05-06T20:17:00.000-05:00I am not convinced that a brusque, albeit honest, ...<I>I am not convinced that a brusque, albeit honest, riposte to someone's offer of prayer is any more productive than the offer in the first place.</I>Which is why I say I am tempted to say so, but don't.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285043747501470199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-83645751671553380972009-05-06T15:59:00.000-05:002009-05-06T15:59:00.000-05:00Oh, Gary, I'd love for the President to set an exa...Oh, Gary, I'd love for the President to set an example.<br /><br />But not by hypocritical public Judas-kisses to God.<br /><br />(Plain enough? (c; )DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-10101603180817321292009-05-06T15:53:00.000-05:002009-05-06T15:53:00.000-05:00I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Prayer is the ...I agree with you wholeheartedly. <br /><br />Prayer is the prerogative and privilege of the contrite and surrendered and has no place outside the Body of Christ, unless it is prayer of repentance. <br /> <br />John 9:31 <br />"We know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is God-fearing and does His will, He hears him." <br /><br />1 Peter 3:12<br />"For the eyes of the Lord are toward the righteous, and His ears attend to their prayer, but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil."Michellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00168363955644093592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-23095263115777574142009-05-06T15:44:00.000-05:002009-05-06T15:44:00.000-05:00So - let me just check I've got this right, 'cos s...So - let me just check I've got this right, 'cos sometimes you can be a bit obtuse... On balance, you're passionately in favour of a national Day of Prayer and pleading with the President to set an example?Gary Benfoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11371307545924645897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-71530645542174505482009-05-06T15:37:00.000-05:002009-05-06T15:37:00.000-05:00Add me to your "you're not disagreeing with me" li...Add me to your "you're not disagreeing with me" list.<br /><br />It's funny how we, the church, while correctly talking about the power of prayer (because as an "in house" topic we understand what prayer really is and to whom it is directed) we forget to move the goal posts appropriately when non-believers enter the conversation.<br /><br />Nowadays the power of prayer is really just the power of positive thinking revisited, because without God, what else is left?<br /><br />I wish people in the church would drop the term altogether and talk about the power of God or, as you alluded to, the power of (true) repentance. <br /><br />That would make these "inter-faith" kinds of things more problematic from the non-believers side. Afterall, who's going to jump at the chance to be involved in the "National Day of Repentance".<br /><br />On the other hand, if the idea takes off, could I help with the "repent of what?" list?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com