tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post900729136024330983..comments2024-03-01T21:01:15.174-06:00Comments on Biblical Christianity: Even better than The Race Card{tm}DJPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-64084627248242420952012-01-26T16:09:09.785-06:002012-01-26T16:09:09.785-06:00No, I think you have a point. I think it's jus...No, I think you have a point. I think it's just one of those assumed, unexamined things that come back and bite us.<br /><br /><a href="http://godswillconference.com/resources/" rel="nofollow">Here are some terrific talks</a> I just found and listened to on God's will. I think it is in Friesen's first talk that he specifically talks about being "called" into pastoral ministry. DeYoung's talks are just terrific.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-37284054953508220542012-01-26T16:04:19.833-06:002012-01-26T16:04:19.833-06:00I've benefited so much (and so has my wife!) f...I've benefited so much (and so has my wife!) from your posts on "Leaky Cannoneers" and the like. I've got a question about folks saying "God called me to (insert this or that position/ministry/missionary project)" - does that fall under the same? Like folks saying that God called them to be a pastor/teacher/missionary. I thought so. And even though they may be using that as short-hand for God gifting them to teach and preach or them being qualified Biblically to be a pastor, or desiring and having the freedom/ability to be a missionary abroad, I consider using "God called me. . ." to be dangerous considering what it implies. Am I right on that, or just nit-picking?Webster Hunt (Parts Man)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04631846083790242392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-59007813983614445432012-01-26T14:49:51.900-06:002012-01-26T14:49:51.900-06:00Why doesn't a good portion of the Church speak...Why doesn't a good portion of the Church speak the truth in love? TD Jakes gets a pass, as do Philips Craig & Dean.<br />These are false-brethren, without any doubt.<br />Yet, when i share this, others say, "Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks for letting me know." And then they continue to accept these as fellow believers in the God of the Holy Word.<br /><br />I really would like to understand why they do this. It drives me nuts.<br /><br />Oh well. <br /><br />Good post Dan. Your words are always well weighed and spoken with humility and boldness. Thanks.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-81259731849383162202012-01-26T10:20:35.419-06:002012-01-26T10:20:35.419-06:00Fred,
I'm reminded of an example of David bei...Fred,<br /><br />I'm reminded of an example of David being moved by Satan to take a census of the people and the disastrous results detailed in 1 Chronicles 21. I wonder if people ever consider that similar things can happen to people today...Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-39463380385371683992012-01-26T09:52:03.732-06:002012-01-26T09:52:03.732-06:00This may be worthless being at the end of a long c...This may be worthless being at the end of a long comment thread.<br /><br />Craig writes<br /><i>channeling God = bad<br />hearing from God = good</i><br /><br />Okay.<br />A few questions if Craig is inclined to answer:<br /><br />How do you distinguish "channeling" from "hearing" bearing the major point of Dan's post?<br /><br />Is "hearing" from God different from "hearing" God in the Bible?<br /><br />If you believe you can "hear" from God in "the Spirit" or however you define it, why isn't the Bible sufficient to "hear" from God?<br /><br />How exactly does that "hearing" from God "in the Spirit" work? IOW, how would I KNOW I was "hearing" God?<br /><br />Can you ever misundertand or misinterpret what you "hear" from God? <br /><br />Start with those and if you're willing, we'll move a head.Fred Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025967176465685306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-82931640912331881272012-01-26T09:31:14.844-06:002012-01-26T09:31:14.844-06:00You know...God told me all of the following:
1. T...You know...God told me all of the following:<br /><br />1. That I should love my wife in the same manner that Christ loves the Church.<br /><br />2. That I should submit to my leaders, both in the church and the world, so long as they are not going against God's commands from Scripture.<br /><br />3. That if anybody preaches a different Gospel, they are to be accursed.<br /><br />There are plenty of things that God has told me, and get this - <b><i>I actually have proof that He told me! It is in His Word! He has told all of us!</i></b> <br /><br />Of course, as you have detailed countless times before, this just isn't enough for some people. And thus, they go invent their own ideas of how God has some special way to tell them all of these special messages. Which just sounds like self-promotion (stemming from pride) to me.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-72281155559002501072012-01-26T09:23:42.215-06:002012-01-26T09:23:42.215-06:00Thanks for the link, trogdor. If there was any do...Thanks for the link, trogdor. If there was any doubt about whether these people were more concerned about Biblical truth or "unity", this certainly cleared that up. They are circling the wagons and drawing lines whether they want to admit it or not. I'm just waiting for the day when some of these guys are man enough to actually come out and address the people they have a beef with. Of course, that would actually require courage and integrity...something that Driscoll, MacDonald, and Jakes (as well as many others involved with ER) are certainly lacking.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-26236496815799003912012-01-26T08:02:27.757-06:002012-01-26T08:02:27.757-06:00Excellent, thanks for the refresher.Excellent, thanks for the refresher.Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16385729083688529722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-42313453934703007472012-01-26T06:58:16.292-06:002012-01-26T06:58:16.292-06:00Why wouldn't he? Mark Driscoll made a comfy li...Why wouldn't he? Mark Driscoll made a comfy little cottage industry of it. <a href="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2009/05/preaching-beware-and-you-are-factor.html" rel="nofollow">Remember this</a>, another tree that fell in the woods?DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-81726216179131826882012-01-26T06:53:01.584-06:002012-01-26T06:53:01.584-06:00In reading the summaries of the ER2 sessions it se...In reading the summaries of the ER2 sessions it seems like MacDonald is either the hero or victim in all his stories. Is this a benefit of playing the GTM card?Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16385729083688529722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-80583087241488200022012-01-25T23:09:57.310-06:002012-01-25T23:09:57.310-06:00Sigh. If Trevin Wax is summarizing correctly, then...Sigh. If <a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2012/01/25/elephant-room-2-live-blog-session-7/" rel="nofollow">Trevin Wax</a> is summarizing correctly, then we learned that...<br /><br />God's 'call' apparently consisted of "I'm so mad about MacArthur criticizing Driscoll's ungodly/blasphemous/perverted methods and worrying about his outsized influence on the young, I'm going to go as far as I can in the other direction."<br /><br />Excuse me while I vomit some more.trogdorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452996348717802065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-32992309272622416782012-01-25T16:09:49.276-06:002012-01-25T16:09:49.276-06:00Terrific, then, we're all in agreement with th...Terrific, then, we're all in agreement with the post.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-75329262474324876512012-01-25T16:06:34.489-06:002012-01-25T16:06:34.489-06:00Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos...Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, <br />Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST SINCE YE BELIEVED? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. <br />Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. <br />Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. <br />Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. <br />Act 19:6 And when Paul had LAID HIS HANDS UPON THEM, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. <br /><br />Rom 1:11 For I long to see you, that I may IMPART UNTO YOU SOME SPIRITUAL GIFT, to the end ye may be established; <br /><br />1Ti 4:14 NEGLECT NOT THE GIFT that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the LAYING OF THE HANDS of the presbytery. <br /><br />1Ti 5:22 LAY HANDS SUDDENLY ON NO MAN, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure. <br /><br />2Ti 1:6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou STIR UP the gift of God, which is in thee by the PUTTING ON OF MY HANDS. <br /><br />Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, <br />Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of LAYING OF HANDS, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.<br /><br />1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit. <br />1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings. <br />1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. <br />1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.Craig Doriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02786421333337429393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-58600805320627843982012-01-25T16:06:17.806-06:002012-01-25T16:06:17.806-06:001Co 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritu...1Co 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. <br />1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. <br />1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. <br />1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. <br />1Co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. <br />..<br />1Co 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. <br />1Co 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. <br />1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. <br />1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. <br />..<br />1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. <br />1Co 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? <br />1Co 14:24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: <br />1Co 14:25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth. <br />1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. <br />1Co 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. <br />1Co 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. <br />1Co 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. <br />1Co 14:30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. <br />1Co 14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. <br />1Co 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. <br />..<br />1Co 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. <br /><br />Act 6:6 Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them. <br /><br />Act 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: <br />Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: <br />Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) <br />Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.<br /><br />Act 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and PUTTING HIS HANDS ON HIM said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. <br /><br />Act 13:3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.Craig Doriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02786421333337429393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-43212287114171521182012-01-25T16:05:54.723-06:002012-01-25T16:05:54.723-06:00channeling God = bad
hearing from God = good
Mar...channeling God = bad<br />hearing from God = good<br /><br /><br />Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; <br />Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. <br /><br />Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and GREATER WORKS THAN THESE shall he do; because I go unto my Father. <br />Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. <br />Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. <br /><br />Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; <br />Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: <br />Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: <br /><br />1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not EVERY spirit, but try the spirits WHETHER they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. <br />1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: <br />1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. <br />1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. <br /><br />1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. <br />1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; <br />1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; <br />1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: <br /><br />1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. <br />1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? <br />1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? <br />1Co 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.Craig Doriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02786421333337429393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-48967625639627281882012-01-25T12:31:39.890-06:002012-01-25T12:31:39.890-06:00I'm with Eric - the post title made me think o...I'm with Eric - the post title made me think of the U2 song as well.<br /><br />And with Squirrel, because open spots in front of delicious food are divine providence.Jacobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17084189036334133951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-24977413903791745672012-01-25T11:42:29.499-06:002012-01-25T11:42:29.499-06:00Well if all of us wouldn't rely on such silly ...Well if all of us wouldn't rely on such silly things as syllogisms and clear definitions, we could finally embrace ministry to a post-modern culture and melt into the unified front that is American Christianity. <br /><br /><b>TUAD:</b><br />You could call me a GTMer. I used the language, and even searched and prayed for words from the Lord. I'm rather thankful that I stumbled upon the Pyro blog before it got out of hand.<br /><br />I 3rd Rachel's submission.Scothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16573138499478048502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-34226030065197095812012-01-25T11:05:59.173-06:002012-01-25T11:05:59.173-06:00"Also, I humbly submit Chantry's "GT...<i>"Also, I humbly submit Chantry's "GTM" acronym to the BibChr and Pyro lexicon."</i><br /><br />I second Rachel's submission.<br /><br />Q1: Is there a commenter here who has successfully helped a GTM person to stop using the GTM card? If so, how?<br /><br />Q2: Is there a commenter here who used to be a GTM person, and who has stopped using the GTM explanation? If so, why did you stop using GTM? And how did you learn to stop using GTM?Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-59615851604683400362012-01-25T10:57:36.535-06:002012-01-25T10:57:36.535-06:00Wow. And so, now I'm left to wonder...a friend...Wow. And so, now I'm left to wonder...a friend of mine who is struggling in his faith after he lost his job, marriage, job again, and his ex-wife, so cold as to say she never wants to see his kids again (it was his fault to some extent, which he has confessed and wept over, but not anything worth leaving and doing this to him)...<br /><br />And I steered him into MacDonald's church, because the one he had before was Episcopalian, apostate as all get out, and they referred him to a secular counselor to handle his issues. I warned him it would go badly. It did. very. Even his own congregation wouldn't help him in poverty.<br /><br />Burned by one church, now I want to get him out of there if James is being unrepentant. I've listened to his "Walk In The Word" ministry on Moody for years, and it was solid. I'm heartbroken for all of this. Any suggestions if my friend is in the Chicago area?Gilberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05267525662313103148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-42740510913435153312012-01-25T10:57:10.842-06:002012-01-25T10:57:10.842-06:00Time for an honest confession. I have mis-read &q...Time for an honest confession. I have mis-read "leaky cannoneers" for as long as you've written it. I kept thinking it was "leaky cannon<b>er</b>s." Last night I heard Chris Rosebrough reading this post and thought, "What's he doing? He's totally misreading that phrase!" <br /><br />Only, he wasn't.<br /><br />I'll retire in shame now.Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-73996320048602629272012-01-25T10:41:34.552-06:002012-01-25T10:41:34.552-06:00The problem with leaky cannoneers is that by relyi...The problem with leaky cannoneers is that by relying on visions, signs, feelings, and thoughts purportedly received directly from God then you rely on Scripture less. So Scripture will naturally take a lower place then it rightfully should.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285043747501470199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-79662954224330690252012-01-25T10:41:25.191-06:002012-01-25T10:41:25.191-06:00The problem with leaky cannoneers is that by relyi...The problem with leaky cannoneers is that by relying on visions, signs, feelings, and thoughts purportedly received directly from God then you rely on Scripture less. So Scripture will naturally take a lower place then it rightfully should.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285043747501470199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-81341677497901716562012-01-25T09:49:28.450-06:002012-01-25T09:49:28.450-06:00I work as a missionary to people in cults and I ca...I work as a missionary to people in cults and I can't think of one that didn't have a significant version of GTM. <br />What is even worse is when you mix two horrendous misunderstandings and come up with a truly toxic elixer. (Think Copeland, Hinn, Hagen and then some of their more recent wannabees!)<br />1) "God told me something last night" (usually followed with some version of "get the checkbook out")<br />2) "Touch not the Lord's anointed (you criticize or question me (by not getting the checkbook out) and you will die, your children will suffer and die, your dog will suffer and die and so on.<br />So we now have "fresh manna from God" and cannot critique it, without being told and manipulated that God now hates us for our disobedience and "religious" or "pharisee" spirits. <br />It is not such a big step from God told me - to God is telling you. <br />And woe to the person that believes in this crap!Bill Honsbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04836300411894206079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-3526802465808559822012-01-25T07:34:57.034-06:002012-01-25T07:34:57.034-06:00Stephen,
What Biblical example do we have for wor...Stephen,<br /><br />What Biblical example do we have for worrying about being polite to people inviting heretics to share a platform with them in a public venue for possibly millions to see? I can't seem to find that in my Bible and I think that for the sake of fellow believers we have to handle these situations with words that actually mean something somewhat emphatic.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-32035341692431122352012-01-25T07:28:40.541-06:002012-01-25T07:28:40.541-06:00Well said Stephen. My first "encounter" ...Well said Stephen. My first "encounter" with MacDonald was ER1 last year as well. I decided to attend in support of the church that was hosting but after watching, I was put off by the whole show. MacDonald's interaction with Platt was inexcusable. He showed more frustration with "no goldfish" than he did with any of Furtick's or Noble's shenanigans. That speaks volumes. Those seated around me were as frustrated by it as I was. There was no way I could in good conscience ask my church to pay for me attending the second installment. Plus there's other things I could be doing, like... <br /><br />I though Platt and Chandler handled themselves well. It was my first time seeing or hearing Platt and I was impressed with his humility and take on things.Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16385729083688529722noreply@blogger.com