tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post4992585091032417873..comments2024-03-01T21:01:15.174-06:00Comments on Biblical Christianity: A Lament for AmericaDJPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comBlogger111125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-72594537841715542762009-06-06T20:15:41.315-05:002009-06-06T20:15:41.315-05:00Dan,
Do you believe those who voted for a third p...Dan,<br /><br />Do you believe those who voted for a third party candidate in a state where McCain had no chance of winning did something immoral, or have I misunderstood your call for such voters to repent? How would a vote for McCain in a state such as CA, IL, or NY have accomplished anything tangible that a vote for Baldwin, Paul, or Barr would not have?Andy Dollahitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09575945592447351602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-89847212876018364532008-11-12T19:18:00.000-06:002008-11-12T19:18:00.000-06:00Welcome, Toni; and feel free.Yes, it's a sad momen...Welcome, Toni; and feel free.<BR/><BR/>Yes, it's a sad moment. The more you have perspective on America's past and promise, the more you know about similar paths in Europe, the sadder.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-21619432711023517862008-11-12T19:16:00.000-06:002008-11-12T19:16:00.000-06:00Thank you so much for introducing me to you and yo...Thank you so much for introducing me to you and your awesome blog.<BR/><BR/>I appreciated reading your thoughts immensely "A Lament for America" as you have captivated and expressed what I feel in many ways. <BR/><BR/>I think about how our Lord must have felt when he lamented over Jerusalem as He knew her destruction was to come about. "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!<BR/><BR/>Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.<BR/><BR/>....."O America, America, Behold, your house is left unto you desolate".<BR/> Matt. 23:37-39<BR/><BR/>How like the desolate Jerusalem America is now! <BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work. I'm going to share your article via linking to it on my blog if you don't mind, as I think many others will benefit from reading it.<BR/><BR/>ToniTonihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04724664422674142076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-71736268987642494082008-11-09T19:45:00.000-06:002008-11-09T19:45:00.000-06:00What about all the people sitting on their couches...What about all the people sitting on their couches doing nothing to educate others on Obama? My children, homeschooled children, and I went out numerous times with literature, knocking on doors, in parking lots, rallies, pro-life rallies. In our town there wasn't anyone else going door to door besides the Republican running for Congress. He got our support in a big way. We got a lot of people to his meet and greet in our town and he actually won our county while taking only 30% of the vote in the district. It just goes to show you what people working to help get these candidates elected does. They can't do it on their own. When I volunteered to be a precinct captain and each time to do whatever I could, NO ONE called back, not once. This happened four times. When we wanted precinct sheets for our town to get out the vote since no one else was going door to door, we couldn't get them. We tried to get them from our local office, from the Santa Fe office, and from Albuquerque. Nothing. We finally went door to door with the NRL fliers explaining what a partial birth abortion is and how the candidates stood on the issues. We may have gotten Democrats out to vote, too. At least they got the information and if they still voted for Obama, then so be it. They are responsible for their vote.I did my part. As John Quincy Adams said, "Duty is ours. The rest is up to God." How many people did their duty?<BR/><BR/>You also mentioned the government re-education camps, boy are they. Our oldest, 16 and adopted 3 years ago, thinks the darndest things are okay. We showed him the video of the teacher, on glennbeck.com, who was hassling the kids who said they supported McCain and he didn't see anything wrong with it. We showed our seven year old the you tube video from Howard Stern's radio show where they were interviewing people and attributing McCain stances to Obama and they were agreeing with the interviewer. Imagine someone thinking Obama is pro-life. They did. My 7 year old thought they were crazy that they didn't know. I told her that was why she was never going to school. She understands a lot more than most adults do, especially on abortion. I had no intention of teaching her so young, but had to since I couldn't keep my mouth shut and let NM go to Obama without doing my duty.<BR/>The reality is Obama's people wanted it and fought for it. The media's coverage tragic and the deck was stacked against us. But we didn't do enough to get the job done. McCain came to Albuquerque on October 25th and at best there were only 3,000 people there. The same day in the same city, there were anywhere from 25,000 to 45,000 people at his rally. It was a pain to go, but we went to support him. Couldn't people have just worked more? We phone banked in Santa Fe and there were three people who came from different parts of Texas and a woman who came from Mexico just to work on the pro-life cause. She was constantly on the phone talking to Hispanic radio stations and the Spanish speaking churches to educate them on pro-life issues. With so many people making these sacrifices, couldn't we have just worked a bit harder? Every neighborhood we went into, there were Obama people knocking on doors and not the same ones. I hope nobody will take it for granted next time around. With more work, we could have done it. I see it as a miracle that we did as well as we did. We were outmatched in every way, except values. Yes, many people were going to do what they wanted anyway, but others just didn't know. I passed out articles to people on Obama and born alive infants and made some headway, especially earlier on when people were more receptive. At least if they voted for him, they knew what he stood for and the babies' blood was on their hands, too. Okay, I've ranted. I'm a bit gentler on my own blog: www.gentoo.net Perhaps, I need to let loose there too.Rockhopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01257192322624718809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-18083728640244601542008-11-09T16:10:00.000-06:002008-11-09T16:10:00.000-06:00And so it begins...And so <A HREF="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NmJmYmUwNjY2NjNkODY5M2E3NDFkNTQzNDJiMmY4NTc=" REL="nofollow">it begins...</A>jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15362216258784981618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-32477498048218812882008-11-09T15:46:00.000-06:002008-11-09T15:46:00.000-06:00Aaron — so, sort of like Algore? You're "un-conced...<B>Aaron</B> — so, sort of like Algore? You're "un-conceding"?<BR/><BR/>Well, you were right when you regretted enabling the most viciously pro-abort extremist ever to hold the office. You were wrong in casting your lot with him.<BR/><BR/>So, I guess you were right for awhile, now you're wrong again.<BR/><BR/>Your prerogative, of course. Doesn't change the facts.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-48252647286279051872008-11-09T14:24:00.000-06:002008-11-09T14:24:00.000-06:00Aaron,Your disagreement is not with Dan the pastor...Aaron,<BR/>Your disagreement is not with Dan the pastor and blogger. You have a bone to pick with THE DAN. <I>Dan the Man</I>. Daniel the Prophet who wrote an Old Testament book. Read through it again, and examine your new perspective through the lense of Scripture. Would Daniel (or <I>any</I> of the prophets for that matter) give hearty approval to your approach to voting in a democratic nation?<BR/><BR/>Daniel loved his nation and cared about it (see Dan 4:19)<BR/>Jeremiah earnestly sought the welfare of his nation (Jer 29:7)<BR/><BR/>Abortion is evil, and it is a plague upon this world. It is the greatest existing evil that the U.S. government has been given authority to punish (in His providence) How is voting pro-abortion (for any reason) a Biblical way to battle evil?<BR/><BR/>Based upon what you said about "right to liberty of conscience", I suspect you may be confused about what a vote is and what it isn't.<BR/><BR/>Either that or you don't really think abortion is evil. I'm inclined to give the benefit of doubt and go with the former.<BR/><BR/>So you may retract your affirmation of what Dan (the pastor and blogger) has posted here, but seemingly without a reason.Andrew Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13325110133957216983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-90967561751406769672008-11-09T13:55:00.000-06:002008-11-09T13:55:00.000-06:00After furthur reflection I have to retract my prev...After furthur reflection I have to retract my previous and subsequent statemnts. They no longer represent how I feel in fact I feel the views discussed in this post show a deep misunderstanding of God's Soverginty in The World and in the Church in short the fact that we vote for a pro-choice candete does not reflect on our views it is not the kngdom of God we are ecideing when we vote it is the kingdom of the world so in short there is a right to liberty of conscince so with all that I retract my past statemnts as they no longer represnet my views post this or not this is how I feelAaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16940942080262729410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-49065750670445581042008-11-08T19:18:00.000-06:002008-11-08T19:18:00.000-06:00Yes, please pray for us in PA, everyone. I underst...Yes, please pray for us in PA, everyone. I understand that Chris Matthews may oppose Specter in 2010. Apparently it's been his boyhood dream to be a senator. I assume that if he should win, it will send a thrill up his leg.jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15362216258784981618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-36690637685606012052008-11-08T13:52:00.000-06:002008-11-08T13:52:00.000-06:00Yeah, Jen, I know how liberal Specter is, which I'...Yeah, Jen, I know how liberal Specter is, which I'm sure makes it even more nauseating for you to have voted for him. He was partly responsible for the demise of Robert Bork - Roe v. Wade might be overturned had he been confirmed by the Senate. He redeemed himself a little (microscopically) by helping get Roberts and Alito confirmed.<BR/><BR/>But if he retires in two years or loses, the Senate gets closer in reaching that magic 60 number which makes it easier for the democrats to ram things through.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01912897040503058967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-2216455422492815092008-11-08T13:32:00.000-06:002008-11-08T13:32:00.000-06:00Thanks for what you've said, but Specter is not a ...Thanks for what you've said, but Specter is not a straight up Republican -- very much pro-choice and pro-gay rights. I'm hoping that a better alternative from the Republican party will come along.jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15362216258784981618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-57554342410918524672008-11-08T13:25:00.000-06:002008-11-08T13:25:00.000-06:00Jen: My family voted McCain (3 votes), but it did ...Jen: <B><I>My family voted McCain (3 votes), but it did no good.</I></B><BR/><BR/>Your family's vote, Jen, was very, very important because let's not forget, the Lord ordains not only the ends, but the means. Even though it was not God's will to show mercy to our nation, you certainly participated in His preceptive will. Your family thought through the issues and voted on what was right for the country, in particular, the unborn.<BR/><BR/>You also will not have the guilt of Christians who voted for Obama, third party or did not vote. Your conscience will be clear. I know there are some out there who are not feeling guilty when they should, but they will sooner or later.<BR/><BR/>Also remember there are very important other races in the country. So, every race is important. And you are having another important race in 2010 - will see what your Senator, Spector, does if he retires. If he does, the Senate may lose another Republican and that's not good.<BR/><BR/>So, I for one, thank you and your family for your vote.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01912897040503058967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-43616476434920148142008-11-07T20:10:00.000-06:002008-11-07T20:10:00.000-06:00Matt you miss my point.It was simply to state that...Matt you miss my point.<BR/>It was simply to state that if you wanted to declare McCain as more holy than Obama, you couldn't.<BR/>To do so, I believe, would be the thing that is foolish and naive, but I don't believe you are doing this yourself. Others may be.<BR/>We are all in need of Christ's atonement of our sins, regardless of how bad the sin is, and all can be reconciled to God through Christ, no matter how bad the sin is.<BR/>The statement in itself was merely something to note.<BR/><BR/>I hope that clarifies.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03337659764179531085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-29274287702442820952008-11-07T18:31:00.000-06:002008-11-07T18:31:00.000-06:00Only God knows the degree to which fraud played in...Only God knows the degree to which fraud played into the result. There was a lot, though. But for good or ill, the GOP's not one for crying that up. They're <I>good</I> losers.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-46518116581558514692008-11-07T18:28:00.000-06:002008-11-07T18:28:00.000-06:00I've witnessed something interesting in the last c...I've witnessed something interesting in the last couple of days. My husband and I went into Pittsburgh for pickup and delivery for our small business (thank you Mr Obama for targeting us to help you spread the wealth), and all of our customers that day were McCain supporters.<BR/><BR/>I went into our small town to run errands yesterday and found not one single Obama supporter. I did find many people all too willing to fuss about Tuesday though.<BR/><BR/>I live in a weird state.jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15362216258784981618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-88255515983793503792008-11-07T17:49:00.000-06:002008-11-07T17:49:00.000-06:00No, Jen. You did the right thing. Thank you.Yours...No, Jen. You did the right thing. Thank you.<BR/><BR/>Yours was an important state, and you had no idea how it was going to go. Thanks for doing what you could.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-43970339224648228112008-11-07T17:41:00.000-06:002008-11-07T17:41:00.000-06:00It's extremely difficult to be in the battleground...It's extremely difficult to be in the battleground state of PA and be quite sure that your vote will not count.<BR/><BR/>My family voted McCain (3 votes), but it did no good.jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15362216258784981618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-36024010443137584412008-11-07T12:54:00.000-06:002008-11-07T12:54:00.000-06:00I'm definitely going to link to this and post it a...I'm definitely going to link to this and post it as well on my blog - and praise God that you wrote it. JBmammo7https://www.blogger.com/profile/18159277580407076176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-37973858839359878222008-11-07T10:47:00.000-06:002008-11-07T10:47:00.000-06:00I'll just say upfront, sorry if I'm beating a dead...I'll just say upfront, sorry if I'm beating a dead horse here. <BR/><BR/>Alan, you said: <I>As no sin is greater than another, both McCain and Obama would be as bad as one another, as both are sinners.</I><BR/><BR/>Even if you don't think that there are different eternal consequences for different sins (I think a case can be made that there are), or that God looks at some sins differently than others (and I think He does), there's still the matter of the <I>results</I> of sin here on earth. It's bad if I lie, but I trust you wouldn't put me in the same category as [fill in the blank] dictator who has killed millions of his own people. It's bad if I hate, but there are worse consequences if I act on that hate and kill someone. <BR/><BR/>The argument that "we're all sinners, therefore there is no difference" just doesn't hold water in this context. It is foolish and naive.Matt Gummhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698469400042045105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-84278282753986131342008-11-07T09:26:00.000-06:002008-11-07T09:26:00.000-06:00Betsy, your post so closely parallels (and complem...Betsy, your post so closely parallels (and complements) one I've already written and scheduled for publication at 9am, that it's <I>eerie</I>.<BR/><BR/>Wait till you see.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-23741508002409639602008-11-07T09:16:00.000-06:002008-11-07T09:16:00.000-06:00I believe we are seeing part of the promised "stro...I believe we are seeing part of the promised "strong delusion" from 2 Thessalonians. How else can you explain this adulation that has become worship in many cases, and the entrusting of the affairs of the world into the hands of a man with absolutely no track record?<BR/><BR/>Things are only going to get worse and worse until the Lord returns. This is a time for <A HREF="http://justanotherclaypot.blogspot.com/2008/11/grief-and-disillusionment-bring-new.html" REL="nofollow">biblical grief and biblical hope</A>. Let's don't mock reality by omitting the former, or mock God by omitting the latter.Betsy Markmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13600148899348868100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-3825247723609871922008-11-07T08:51:00.000-06:002008-11-07T08:51:00.000-06:00Yes, Jazz, you did exactly what I said.So please d...Yes, Jazz, you did exactly what I said.<BR/><BR/>So please deal with it, or let's move on.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-75362612759970832602008-11-07T08:46:00.000-06:002008-11-07T08:46:00.000-06:00djp,Everything I responded to came from this, whic...djp,<BR/><BR/>Everything I responded to came from this, which you addressed specifically to me.<BR/><BR/>--jazzact13 - I think you're palpably wrong about Bush, for the reasons explained, and I really think it's beyond deniability; I think you're quite right about McCain and the leftward drift of the GOP (as I said, it was a partial list); and as to sparing people who waste their time, money, and efforts on self-referential gestures when they need to grow up and join in: not going to happen.--<BR/><BR/>I did not "isolate a couple of things I said from this and a half-dozen other posts", and my questions are aimed to either make a point or in hope that you will clarify.<BR/><BR/>Get on my case if you wish, but don't say I'm doing things I'm not doing.jazzact13https://www.blogger.com/profile/17437006437523413659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-8766875102395845222008-11-07T03:29:00.000-06:002008-11-07T03:29:00.000-06:00Susan, I totally agree with you on both points. An...Susan, I totally agree with you on both points. And thankyou.<BR/><BR/>Yes how we vote is part of it, but it's not all of it. God's commands are NOT that we vote others to do what he calls us to do, and leave it at that.<BR/>So we need to do more than vote. I am sure many people do. It was simply an observation.<BR/><BR/>On the loving our neighbour thing, here was the crux of my argument you might have missed:<BR/>"If we don't show love for one another, how, by our example, can we expect people to likewise show love to unborn babies."<BR/>How I feel is the same as you, we MUST love all babies, including those who have only just being conceived. But we cannot choose to love babies, and not to love others. We must struggle to do both. There is no lesser evil here.<BR/><BR/>Dan, once again I can't appreciate your trivialising of my comment. I feel that is still stands, and invite you to address it, not from a progressive perspective, but from an immediate one with regards to this post, and with a bit more respect to what I had to say.<BR/><BR/>Gilbert, the post just above yours is the kind of thing I am talking about. Sorry. This is what I mean, and if I wasn't clear by using 'shutting out' then I apologise. My intentions were not inflammatory either, so I can't understand this behaviour.<BR/><BR/>Secondly (and this seemed the only real question you asked), tolerance is not something I personally advocate, and I have no problem with people who as you say stand against what is wrong.<BR/>But grace is what I was meaning, and it is in fact not in regards to showing Obama grace, as he SHOULD repent of his sinfulness (as should we all) and it shouldn't be let pass. I was in fact referring to showing Brothers and Sisters, fellow members of the church, grace. Each can and will vote according to their conscience, the bible doesn't dictate which candidate to vote for. The Bible does tell us which moral standards to uphold, and according to ones conscience they will make up their mind with the evidence available. I don't believe that the Bible leaves room for people to have that claim of the perfect vote. Please don't forget we live in a fallen world, and each candidate has his pitfalls. If one candidate were Jesus, then it would be clear who to vote for. Neither are, so we must do the best we can.<BR/><BR/>Thirdly, I made no mention of Trolls or Trolling. But, I do think it is important that we behave in a manner which brings honour and Glory to God. It should be clear where this is and isn't occurring, and it isn't in the areas you suggest.<BR/>Just to note, please do not assume I am not used to one with a 'spiritual backbone'. I wouldn't recommend that assumption. Just to clarify, I may only be 20, but I am not a stranger to strong views nor people who are committed to advocating the truth in a seemingly harsh manner. This is how I am able to make the comments I do. Because I have seen that legalistic behaviour, and honourable behaviour are very different.<BR/><BR/>If Christ were preaching to us today, I think he would find us all Hypocritical and as Pharisaical as the Pharisees of the time. Myself definitely included, I might even be worse. But I guess worse doesn't matter does it, we're all sinful.. Including Obama and McCain.<BR/>Lord God please save us from ourselves!Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03337659764179531085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-18948491373580275522008-11-06T23:05:00.000-06:002008-11-06T23:05:00.000-06:001. Alan said: "What I understand from his commen...1. Alan said: "What I understand from his comment is that we need to take our values beyond our vote and into what we do in our lives."<BR/><BR/>Isn't one's vote something he does in his life? It says volumes about his belief and value system, to say nothing of how he views the world around him and chooses to live in it.<BR/><BR/>2. Alan also said, "The other thing I think we need to see here, is that we are called to love our neighbour."<BR/><BR/>Pardon me, but as Christians, we know that life begins at conception. Loving our neighbors also includes loving those who are not yet born. To vote for a man who is not only pro-abortion but also pro-infanticide is NOT loving our neighbors. In front of a righteous and holy God, that kind of defense cannot and will not fly.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08289347868497438542noreply@blogger.com