tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post6931490378087039622..comments2024-03-01T21:01:15.174-06:00Comments on Biblical Christianity: Afterthoughts on yesterday's post: on moral reasoning, and word-studiesDJPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-75964930231557331332008-10-16T13:24:00.000-05:002008-10-16T13:24:00.000-05:00In short, yes, there's a difference.NT writers/spe...In short, yes, there's a difference.<BR/><BR/>NT writers/speakers quoting the LXX no more <I>necessarily</I> validates the whole (which, at times, is pretty wildly off-target) than Paul's quotations of pagan Greek writers. But once they have quoted it, their own words become part of Scripture. Not because of the authority of the LXX, but because of the Spirit's inspiration of the speaker/writer.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-12903614235222750852008-10-16T13:21:00.000-05:002008-10-16T13:21:00.000-05:00Dan,Is there not a difference in the way we must w...Dan,<BR/>Is there not a difference in the way we must weigh the words in the lxx - a translation :<BR/>and the NT where we are bound to consider each of the words (in the original autographs) as both Greek and God-breathed>Malchymisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14678362715224369171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-68129322239516067812008-10-10T22:12:00.000-05:002008-10-10T22:12:00.000-05:00Demas loved the present world...Demas loved the present world...Even So...https://www.blogger.com/profile/14208866122431178938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-33764504712653043582008-10-10T18:15:00.000-05:002008-10-10T18:15:00.000-05:00Dan: Thanks for your thoughtful reply.If Solomon w...Dan: Thanks for your thoughtful reply.<BR/><BR/>If Solomon wrote Ecclesiastes (and applying Occam's rasor, I have no reason to think otherwise), then that might indeed shed some light on the matter.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-89420339722521081312008-10-10T15:31:00.000-05:002008-10-10T15:31:00.000-05:00I was in a sorority, so I can sing the Greek alpha...I was in a sorority, so I can sing the Greek alphabet. Now about that word agape... :o) I do enjoy puzzling out the Greek using Vine's and Zodhiates. I keep it to myself, though, rather than risk proving myself foolish!<BR/><BR/>Dan, these two posts on Solomon have spoken loudly to me. It would take too long to comment on all the ways, so I'll just say thank you, and link everyone I know back here.Colloquisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08530006843488477150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-36354308744146429742008-10-10T14:50:00.000-05:002008-10-10T14:50:00.000-05:00I have a lot of Biblically-astute readers, Stefan ...I have a lot of Biblically-astute readers, Stefan - including you. I just thought I'd let others reply for awhile.<BR/><BR/>Of course I don't know; I just know what's in the Bible. It doesn't say. Many hope that Ecclesiastes reflects the repentant reflections of a still-older Solomon. That's my hope, too.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-79079290041060180402008-10-10T12:33:00.000-05:002008-10-10T12:33:00.000-05:00Dan:Not to be a pest, but do you have any thoughts...Dan:<BR/><BR/>Not to be a pest, but do you have any thoughts on the question I asked yesterday on the first Solomon post?<BR/><BR/>It seems like Solomon seriously backslid, and there's no record that he repented for his sins before he died. Yet we have 3 books of inspired Scripture penned by him, and the Lord did chastise him severely for his transgressions.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps this question is unanswerable by any except God, but was he one of the elect?Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-75860829430970361572008-10-10T12:24:00.000-05:002008-10-10T12:24:00.000-05:00Dan,I'm intrigued by the concept of not using Gree...Dan,<BR/><BR/>I'm intrigued by the concept of not using Greek unless you know Greek. Seems sort of akin to not using Scripture until you know [all about] it.<BR/><BR/>Better to wisely use what one knows about it than to not use it at all. <BR/><BR/>Or to put it another way -- learn what you can from those who are relative experts, and pass it on, humbly and cautiously, as opposed to withholding the truth that one already knows.<BR/><BR/>Using your example, we non-Greek-geeks now know that <I>agape</I> doesn't necessarily mean the selfless God-like love that C.S. Lewis told us it does (actually I first learned your point from D.A. Carson in his terrific book, <I>Exegetical Fallacies</I>, I believe).<BR/><BR/>Since we now know that, would it not be wise to pass it along, as the subject comes up -- with an appropriate hat-tip to Dan, one of our favorite Greek guys :) -- instead of keeping it to ourselves?<BR/><BR/>I delight, for example, in expounding a little on what I've learned about the Gk. word <I>logos</I>, when I hear someone say that it merely means "word". Rich stuff that I can't keep to myself. Makes me want to read John 1:1 as "In the beginning was the <I>logos</I>...", so that I don't hinder the fullness of the meaning.<BR/><BR/>Or the importance of the present tense of "sins" in 1 John, when John says that if anyone sins, he is not a Christian -- useful when running into a Darwin Fish type.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, thanks for the good lesson, Dan. Hope you'll do more on your Greek blog from time to time.<BR/><BR/>Blessings,<BR/>Terry <BR/>--who knows just enough Greek to be dangerous, as the saying goes, so watch out :)Terry Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00888533194435826837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-35823393421899266532008-10-10T11:11:00.000-05:002008-10-10T11:11:00.000-05:00"This is the same church that is holding a "study"..."This is the same church that is holding a "study" around the book "The Shack"."<BR/><BR/>That's not Michael W. Smith's church, or Eugene Peterson's church is it?<BR/><BR/>It is amazing to me, how these kinds of men of the Lord can endorse such a wacky book.<BR/><BR/>I know this is a rabbit trail, but i just had to go down it a bit.<BR/>Sorry.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-39845955362929299282008-10-10T09:54:00.000-05:002008-10-10T09:54:00.000-05:00Here's another good LLX quote to go along with Sol...Here's another good LLX quote to go along with Solomon:<BR/>2 Samuel 13:4b - <BR/>και ειπεν αυτω Αμνων Θημαρ την αδελφην Αβεσsαλωμ του αδελφου μου εγω αγαπω <BR/><BR/>And Amnon said to him, "I myself love (agapao, verb form of agape) Tamar, the sister of Absalom my brother."<BR/>Agape - lusty, violent, unjustified, immoral, ungodly love.Trinianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11862753729583546914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-16268110193230242522008-10-10T09:45:00.000-05:002008-10-10T09:45:00.000-05:00We left this particular church eight years ago whe...We left this particular church eight years ago when they "reasoned" that it was ok to have a woman as assistant pastor, because she was still under the authority of a male senior pastor. We knew that the rejection of Scripture there would be a slippery slope. This is the same church that is holding a "study" around the book "The Shack". *Sigh*Michellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00168363955644093592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-53746229386051209512008-10-10T09:43:00.000-05:002008-10-10T09:43:00.000-05:00WOW! I hadn't even thought... NICE! I hope you d...WOW! I hadn't even thought... NICE! I hope you don't mind, I'm going to have to steal that. This is a passage that's dear to me, and I hadn't even considered that implication. Thank you!<BR/><BR/><I>"Now, agapē means God's sacrificial, self-giving, unselfish love of commitment to the good of others."</I><BR/><BR/>... cringe. My wife says that it's really disrespectful to facepalm during a lesson, so I try to control myself. <BR/><BR/><I>I have heard agape is the true divine love, and phileo is a human love, or something close to that.</I><BR/><BR/>*facepalm*<BR/>Aw man... there I go again...Trinianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11862753729583546914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-83508659091784497382008-10-10T09:40:00.000-05:002008-10-10T09:40:00.000-05:00... and a rejection of the authority of His Word i...... and a rejection of the authority of His Word is ultimately a rejection of the authority of Yahweh himself. That is no small thing.Michellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00168363955644093592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-25928130513348478012008-10-10T09:36:00.000-05:002008-10-10T09:36:00.000-05:00Yep. Jump up, wave your Bible, say "Cancel the mee...Yep. Jump up, wave your Bible, say "Cancel the meeting! I found God's heart!"DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-59503747567672432542008-10-10T09:33:00.000-05:002008-10-10T09:33:00.000-05:00Thanks for the important reminder.Reminds me of a ...Thanks for the important reminder.<BR/><BR/>Reminds me of a Baptist church in our area currently holding meetings to "find God's heart" on the issue of women solo/senior pastors. I say His heart is clear and it is in His Word, but I think all the reasoning and rationalizing simply comes down to a rejection of the authority of Scripture. Will we subject ourselves to its authority, or will we subject it to our authority?Michellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00168363955644093592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-3526792117381909682008-10-10T09:15:00.000-05:002008-10-10T09:15:00.000-05:00Grand Slam!!Post season baseball playoffs and get ...Grand Slam!!<BR/><BR/>Post season baseball playoffs and get treated to a walk-off grandslam early in the morning!<BR/><BR/>Thanks DJP!!<BR/><BR/>I'll leave the Greek to you! But I'll pick out my own baklava, thank you very much!Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-77631379014477280242008-10-10T07:16:00.000-05:002008-10-10T07:16:00.000-05:00Thanks for this post. I needed bolstering today.Thanks for this post. I needed bolstering today.Staci Eastinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01107996901556804274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-75152203162365149352008-10-10T06:50:00.000-05:002008-10-10T06:50:00.000-05:00Good thoughts.I have heard agape is the true divin...Good thoughts.<BR/><BR/>I have heard agape is the true divine love, and phileo is a human love, or something close to that. Especially in the passage where Jesus says to Peter, "Do you love Me?"<BR/><BR/>It's always context isn't it? <BR/><BR/>I thought of Brian McLaren where you wrote what Solomon could have said. It's so true in our day that the church simply cuts and pastes the Scriptures that feel good, and then applies them, and disregards the rest of God's truth, and so the truth becomes partial-truth, which is untruth really.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.com