tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post7517530570711192265..comments2024-03-01T21:01:15.174-06:00Comments on Biblical Christianity: William Lane Craig's God doesn't sound very ultimateDJPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-65187266130721975912011-12-19T15:11:41.827-06:002011-12-19T15:11:41.827-06:00I'm a really big WLC fan, but I really wish he...I'm a really big WLC fan, but I really wish he would submit his philosophy to the mind of Christ in Romans 9 on this issue.Aaron Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385127979306952044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-23548917176079930572011-12-11T21:46:03.220-06:002011-12-11T21:46:03.220-06:00For those who are confused, try replacing "Th...For those who are confused, try replacing "The counterfactuals of creaturely freedom" with the English phrase "Some things". Then the argument is so obviously stupid that even children would mock it.<br /><br />I don't see why Dawkins runs away from him, since they share the same notion that "man's ability to do whatever he wants" is the ultimate power and authority in the universe.trogdorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452996348717802065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-29005003128510265852011-12-08T23:29:42.784-06:002011-12-08T23:29:42.784-06:00bizarro!!
He should put down his human philly boo...bizarro!!<br /><br />He should put down his human philly books and study the Bible no1.<br /><br />And then maybe read The Doctrine of God by J Frame.<br /><br />Don't you think the core reason is maybe he is an Arminian. (maybe I don'y know his theology that well)Thomas Louwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08406486510590654502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-39295859107374775422011-12-08T19:56:48.177-06:002011-12-08T19:56:48.177-06:00http://www.frame-poythress.org/Poythress_books/Sha...http://www.frame-poythress.org/Poythress_books/Shadow/bl0.html<br /><br />I been trying to read through this one, but slow going from the website. Mebbe Santy Calvin will send it to me this year.Death or Glory Toadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552779168563447377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-67744575977450124352011-12-08T19:28:32.114-06:002011-12-08T19:28:32.114-06:00Have not yet even read this post, and yet it is th...Have not yet even read this post, and yet it is the most awesomest ever because of that <i>graphic</i>. The eloquent awesomeness is almost too much...Rachael Starkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781158372237369417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-2366289933594187552011-12-08T18:29:30.597-06:002011-12-08T18:29:30.597-06:00"No doctrine in the whole Word of God has mor..."No doctrine in the whole Word of God has more excited the hatred of mankind than the truth of the absolute sovereignty of God." Charles Haddon SpurgeonKerry James Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06083436735702873300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-26009731248988943462011-12-08T15:38:07.211-06:002011-12-08T15:38:07.211-06:00"WLC"
I keep hitting that and thinking ...<i>"WLC"</i><br /><br />I keep hitting that and thinking "Westminster Larger Catechism? That ain't right."<br /><br /><i>"Anyway -- Really? GOd has no control? Than who is in control? "</i><br /><br />He might go the route of saying that God has the most control that is possible, but that comprehensive control isn't possible.lee n. fieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01652025469454858807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-81380675554285713522011-12-08T15:31:08.874-06:002011-12-08T15:31:08.874-06:00William Lane Craig: Having logically valid, clearl...<b>William Lane Craig</b>: Having logically valid, clearly formulated arguments is going to make you <i>look smart</i> and <i>increase your credibility</i> in [non-believers’] eyes, which will only <i>make your witness more effective</i> (<i>Reasonable Faith: Christian Truth and Apologetics</i>, 190, emphasis mine).<br /><br />I believe the all-sufficient Scripture has something to say against that too.olan stricklandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05345193051857763038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-18613266235730405842011-12-08T14:43:59.802-06:002011-12-08T14:43:59.802-06:00To Fred:
To adapt from RC: If you cannot explain...To Fred:<br /><br />To adapt from RC: If you cannot explain what you mean so that it is easy to understand (to the average person), perhaps you don't understand it yourself. (My paraphrase) <br /><br />Either that, or WLC (instead of dazzling with brilliance) just likes to baffle us with bull.... :) <br /><br />His whole post could have been much less word-y and much more simple. Perhaps then his missing foundation would be too obvious....Marlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10846790306119108655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-58744265205196230272011-12-08T13:53:02.494-06:002011-12-08T13:53:02.494-06:00I have to admit that most of the time WLC gives me...<i>I have to admit that most of the time WLC gives me a headache because I have trouble understanding what he is trying to say</i><br /><br />You mean like when he uses weirdie words like "counterfactuals?"Fred Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025967176465685306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-83585929849029373882011-12-08T12:45:25.028-06:002011-12-08T12:45:25.028-06:00I think my comment was lost to Narnia.
In light o...I think my comment was lost to Narnia.<br /><br />In light of that, LanternBright's profile is awesome.Scothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16573138499478048502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-50361406761663160582011-12-08T12:36:20.305-06:002011-12-08T12:36:20.305-06:00DALEKS HAVE NO CONCEPT OF MIDDLE KNOWLEDGE! EXTERM...DALEKS HAVE NO CONCEPT OF MIDDLE KNOWLEDGE! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!LanternBrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14727003028902907286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-39557095215925990902011-12-08T12:34:05.718-06:002011-12-08T12:34:05.718-06:00LOL, yes, that is EXACTLY what I was driving at!
...LOL, yes, that is <i>EXACTLY</i> what I was driving at!<br /><br />I hope Frame lives to be a healthy 500, and writes that many more books.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-12746914846387731032011-12-08T12:31:30.632-06:002011-12-08T12:31:30.632-06:00”BTW, did you know Frame once visited this blog? T...<i>”BTW, did you know Frame once visited this blog? True fact.”</i><br /><br />I was wondering where he got all those great ideas. ;-)Ron (aka RealityCheck)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03274921909241630662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-67258246990837544532011-12-08T12:12:09.085-06:002011-12-08T12:12:09.085-06:00This is why WLC is destined for a major, high-impa...This is why WLC is destined for a major, high-impact, disastrous fall somewhere down the road...because his theology can't carry the water it needs to carry to be complete and consistent.<br /><br />And others will be left to clean up the mess.jbborenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13917021408343032334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-90284566264151177602011-12-08T12:10:39.366-06:002011-12-08T12:10:39.366-06:00BTW, did you know Frame once visited this blog? Tr...BTW, did you know Frame once visited this blog? True fact.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-79337675728839776782011-12-08T12:09:58.123-06:002011-12-08T12:09:58.123-06:00Control, authority and presence, baby!Control, authority and presence, baby!DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-65760527327502743662011-12-08T12:06:30.964-06:002011-12-08T12:06:30.964-06:00I am in the process of preparing a series of sermo...I am in the process of preparing a series of sermons on God's sovereignty in election. I have found John Frame's massive tome "The Doctrine of God" to be immensely helpful. He believes the central message of scripture is the supreme Lordship of God. How he works this theme out in the book is a tour de force to be reckoned with.MSChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05419145542442539462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-75003682889765488172011-12-08T12:04:16.722-06:002011-12-08T12:04:16.722-06:00I have to admit that most of the time WLC gives me...I have to admit that most of the time WLC gives me a headache because I have trouble understanding what he is trying to say. (How is it when RC Sproul explains the same things, it is clear and concise?). <br /><br />Anyway -- Really? GOd has no control? Than who is in control? Sounds like man -- I guess the promise of "you shall be like God" came true after all. Poor God, His creations have gotten out of control.... <br /><br />*sigh* For someone so (supposedly) brilliant, maybe he should review the basics again. (Gen 18:14, Jer 32:17, 27)Marlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10846790306119108655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-7469705050710336332011-12-08T11:47:18.877-06:002011-12-08T11:47:18.877-06:00I get how this makes sense from Craig’s perspectiv...I get how this makes sense from <i>Craig’s</i> perspective considering his views on Predestination (it’s wrong and sad, but it makes sense from <i>his</i> point of view). The thing I find really odd is that Craig is a big fan of the Ontological argument which has as its basis "a being that no greater being can be conceived”. How does a God who is at the mercy of “the hand he has been dealt” not leave room for conceiving of a greater God?<br /><br />If being at odds with Scripture doesn’t get Craig’s attention maybe being at odds with <i>himself</i> will.Ron (aka RealityCheck)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03274921909241630662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-81006138603521794932011-12-08T11:44:31.201-06:002011-12-08T11:44:31.201-06:00Craig's problem has always been that he bases ...Craig's problem has always been that he bases his theology on his philosophical understanding, and then "interprets" the Scriptures accordingly. 100% backwards of how it should be done!<br /><br />(And, yes, the Nathan Fillion graphic is classic!)<br /><br /><i>Squirrel</i>The Squirrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14082708506676251152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-38107991504369622102011-12-08T11:31:09.331-06:002011-12-08T11:31:09.331-06:00So does that mean that he can also make the claim,...So does that mean that he can also make the claim, "The devil made me do it"? Because surely if God can not control what His creation does, then we can't control what we do. At least it makes about as much sense to say so.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-12379397819972648872011-12-08T11:15:58.503-06:002011-12-08T11:15:58.503-06:00That last sentence should have read:
Risible stuf...That last sentence should have read:<br /><br /><i>Risible stuff here from Craig, a god who sits at the table with us and waits to see how the chips fall. Tragic.</i><br /><br />The counterfactuals of my creaturely fingers which confront me are outside my control.Family Blogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139302128402850028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-5053605328100616252011-12-08T11:12:32.129-06:002011-12-08T11:12:32.129-06:00Hope nobody tells Dawkins that he's outside of...Hope nobody tells Dawkins that he's outside of God's control or his god-complex might get even worse. <br /><br />Risible stuff here from Craig, a god who sits at the table with and waits to see how the chips fall. Trsgic.Family Blogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139302128402850028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9313009.post-61410822815902131492011-12-08T11:10:03.199-06:002011-12-08T11:10:03.199-06:00As long as Craig can make Dawkins run like a littl...As long as Craig can make Dawkins run like a little girl, most won't mind his open theism and unsovereign god. Sad.olan stricklandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05345193051857763038noreply@blogger.com