Biblical Christianity: Number One Killer in the black community

Thursday, July 21, 2011

Number One Killer in the black community

You can also listen to an NPR presentation pairing The Radiance Foundation's Ryan Bomberger with a "Reverend" who advocates abortion rights. Since it's NPR, Bomberger actually has two opponents, the "Reverend" and the host, but he's more than equal to it.

11 comments:

Robert said...: Wow...that "reverend" is going to have a lot to answer for. If he had half the passion for the Bible as he does over social issues, then maybe he'd: a) be on the right side of this issue, b) make efforts to help those "aborted" children he talks about without health care, and c) be a bit less prideful. You could tell just from listening to both of those guys who was humbly stating the facts and staying composed and who was losing his cool and ranting. Thanks for posting this.; July 21, 2011 at 6:23:00 AM CDT
CR said...: Excellent post.; July 21, 2011 at 8:31:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: Also, I think it's something like 80-90% of all Down's syndrom babies are aborted once a woman is told she has a baby affected with that chromosomal difference. Breaks. My. Ever. Loving. Heart.

And when I have prenatal tests, I feel like I'm being put through a mill where if my baby is not perfect, someone is going to try to consult with me and make the world a better place by taking out a burden. So far though, I've had no such treatment because I either decline those tests or say what I will or won't listen to up front. I've had 7 babies, so we've been through the testing (quad screens for chromosomal issues), but sometimes just don't want to go through it. We've had positive screen results for Trisomy 18 and Down's, but declined amnio...and both babies were unaffected. Reading bulletin boards and articles during that time showed a horrible attitude toward any disability in pregnancy. There were whole boards devoted to "saying goodbye early." But there were brave women who also would advocate for babies not their own, showing pictures of their cute babies or telling tales of how they were glad to allow a dying child to be born so they could have just a few moments holding their living child, or the women who had still births but know their baby was loved.; July 21, 2011 at 8:54:00 AM CDT
DJP said...: Offered amnio, we just basically asked if there were any constructive reason for it (i.e. other than telling us if the child was "a defective" so we could have him killed). Receiving a negative answer, we declined.

So you mean you were told your children actually were "defective," at which point many women would have had them killed, you carried them, and they were born "normal"?

Irony: I know a woman who was told her daughter would be terrifically deformed. She carried her anyway. Born perfectly "normal."

The irony is that she remains a pedal-to-the-metal abortion advocate.; July 21, 2011 at 9:44:00 AM CDT
RT said...: I listened to a remarkable story (on NPR no less) a day or so ago about pre-natal surgery for the correction of spina bifida. As technology advances to the point that birth defects can be ameliorated then I suppose pre-natal tests will have increasing value. Abortion, however, is the product of wilful, unregenerate, depraved human hearts, irrespective of technology, and thus will continue. The technological ability to help an unborn child only serves to make the choice not to that much more culpable.; July 21, 2011 at 10:32:00 AM CDT
Paula Bolyard said...: Really? I can't believe the Rev. actually equated opposition to social welfare programs with the murder of unborn babies. All he needs to do is watch the video to see that the numbers don't add up.; July 21, 2011 at 2:00:00 PM CDT
Robert said...: Paula,

I think you hinted at the real problem with the "Rev"...he isn't going to watch that video (or any other revealing the truth of the matter) and really take in what it means. He is like a relativist, but really worse because he is dogmatic that his wrong view of things is right. It almost makes one think the truth has been hidden from his eyes.; July 21, 2011 at 3:38:00 PM CDT
Mike Riccardi said...: I don't get this "reproductive freedom" angle the pro-aborts are working. No pro-life advocate is about taking away one's reproductive freedom. You can have a baby or not have baby whenever you want.

Nobody seems to be saying it, but there is the option of abstaining from sexual intercourse until you're married and in a position to raise a child. And if you're married and don't want kids yet, there are precautions to take.

One of the things that seems to be untouched in these discussions is how abortion is used as an out for people's wanton lusts and sexual immorality. But we couldn't possibly suggest that we don't want people "having fun" and "enjoying their lives."

We've resorted to killing for our sexual promiscuity. God have mercy.; July 21, 2011 at 5:37:00 PM CDT
Anonymous said...: Mike, that last line of yours was one of the most chilling and/or depressing ways I've ever heard that put. We're so fond of our sin that we'll kill a child just so we can escape the consequences and continue in it. We're no better than David and his murder of Uriah. God have mercy indeed.; July 22, 2011 at 2:29:00 AM CDT
Anonymous said...: No, I was told I had a chance they could be defective and I could get amnio to see if they were. The quad screens are confusing as they are not a diagnosis but they are a way to shuttle women toward more invasive treatment. If you have a positive quad screen for Down's (just a blood draw) one in 100 babies will be affected (so 99 women think about amnio and have extra tests). Now with trisomy 18 it's different and 1 in 11 will be affected that have a positive blood screen. So it's scarier to see trisomy 18 as a possibility. But my child was not affected. Some women have early testing now, they do sonograms looking for thickness at the back of the neck along with blood tests. They compare these and then women can get further testing...CVS (which has a higher risk for miscarriage) or amnio later. All of these tests are done so that if someone wants to abort they can do it earlier rather than later...; July 22, 2011 at 12:10:00 PM CDT
Aaron said...: @DJP: With my last child, my wife had test results that indicated a higher risk for birth defects. We had to go see a specialist. The Specialist told us that most tests can only give indications that something is wrong. An amnio is necessary to give an absolute positive or negative for downs and other genetic defects. For example, my wife had a special ultrasound. The specialist is able to measure the baby's skull and other parts. If the measurements seem normal, that indicates a negative on downs. But in order to be absolutely sure, you have to get the amnio. We decided not to have the amnio becuase we were satisfied with the 95% chance of negative results and felt that it represented a lack of trust in God to want absolute assurance, especially considering that an amnio does carry risk (albeit very small).

The Specialist Doctor told us that it is good to know if you are having a baby with a defect so that (a) the parents can get prepared (b) the delivery takes place with the proper equipment/doctors to deal with the situation (for example, you may have to deliver where there is an infant ICU).

@Christianlady: Stillborn, IMHO, is a different issue. Once the baby is dead, there is some health risk to the mother. My wife had a miscarriage and the doctor recommended a D&C (which the nurses at the hospital referred to as an abortion).; July 22, 2011 at 3:10:00 PM CDT