Wednesday, April 27, 2011

You can be a Christian. Just not, you know, out loud. Or in public.

Atheists (and other similars) have the muzzy idea that "tolerance" is good, and "diversity" is good. So they say they believe in both. After all, they certainly wish to be tolerated, to say the least.

But then — as we've seen in metas right here in BibChr City — those same people turn around and tell Christians they shouldn't actually say what they believe, right out loud, in public. They surely shouldn't vote it, do it, live it, let it be heard in the public square. And as the dialogue continues, one gains the impression that they're really not comfortable even with allowing the thinking of such contrarian thoughts as the Biblical worldview creates.

So, as I've said: go be a Christian in church, in specially-marked neighborhoods, at low decibels.

Just not in public — as Robert Knight further documents.


Robert said...

After reading through the comment stream on this article (as well as various others), I wonder how long it will be before we start facing strong persecution here in the US. It may not hit my generation, but I worry for my children and the Christians in the following generations.

I've been reading through Foxe's Book of Martyrs and am encouraged at the strength that God provided to Christians of the past who have been persecuted far beyond anything I can imagine. I see the same when I look at videos from Voice of the Martyrs and hear the stories of present-day persecution. It just makes me echo the words of John in Revelation 22:20 - "Amen. Come, Lord Jesus."

Aaron said...

@Robert: Don't worry. The Muslims will take over and once that happens secularism wont last long.

@DJP: I agree with your post even to the referenced link. Just as an aside to the issue, I have to say that Christianity and the University's "counseling" programs should have conflicted long before the issue of homosexuality. The issue should not have been, I wont counsel a homosexual, but rather when I do, I'll be telling them to come to Christ and to stop practicing homosexuality. There really is very little in common between Christianity and modern secular psychology such that the differences should be obvious to a student from the outset.

Robert said...

@Aaron: In that case, I'll be parying for God to stregthen the future martyred saints. Most of the stories on Voice of the Martyrs are either from communist China or Muslim countries. Wait, what am I talking about? Islam is the religion of peace. Those videos must just be from the isolated acts of the radical Muslims, right?

Lynda O said...

Agree with all the above... and when the Muslims take over (and unless our Lord returns soon, it really is when, not if) they will ban all the secularists and homosexuals.

In the local paper here today is a big news story about a new anti-terrorism bill in the State legislature (TN) -- but the legislative sponsors are being very careful of the wording of this law so that it won't be seen as targeting Muslims. Hello out there? That makes as much sense as what the TSA has been doing recently, and then the Muslim groups seeking reassurance from the govt that Muslim women won't be screened. Yet judging from the comments at the local news post (typically brainless stuff posted anyway) the majority of the newsreaders locally also object to anything that would specifically focus on Muslims.

Barbara said...

"You can be a Christian. Just not, you know, out loud. Or in public."

I would add, "and not in a secular counseling field that is based in Freudian thought which is anti-God at its core as it seeks to redefine man and his problem in order to find a pragmatic, sinful, atheistic answer to that problem."

Seriously. I think it's incredibly tragic that so many Christians are so completely unaware of the depth of the paradigm difference between secular counseling theory and the depth of Biblical counseling, such that they feel they need to go to court to fight for the right to counsel people using those methods. This is where we need to see more of CCEF and NANC and to understand God's definition and answers. Secular counseling, at its root, denies the need for the Gospel, and no Christian can faithfully participate in that - no matter the sexual orientation of the counselee.

Colloquist said...

The ongoing agenda is to paint liberal positions on issues as the normal, default, mainstream position, while painting the conservative position on the same issues as abnormal, aberrant, even pathological. Why would a "normal" homosexual be subjected to counseling by someone who holds to aberrant beliefs (Christianity)? Gasp! That's victimization!

Flip it on its head: devout Christian goes to openly gay psych counselor for help with purity issues (okay, I recognize the absurdity). If the gay psychologist asked to be excused from having to counsel the Christian, he would be applauded, don't you think?

Liberal = default, normal.
Conservative (esp Christian) = wrongheaded, aberrant. *Every* news story in the MSM contains this slant.

threegirldad said...

Of course, it won't end there. Eliminating Christian behavior in the public sphere is simply Phase 1.

"[W]hen the modern world says to us aloud, 'You may be religious when you are alone,' it adds under its breath, 'and I will see to it that you are never alone.' To make Christianity a private affair while banishing all privacy is to relegate it to the rainbow's end or the Greek calends. That is one of the enemy's strategems."
--C.S. Lewis, "Membership," The Weight of Glory and Other Addresses

mitzi said...

It is popular where I work to participate in "religious festivals", whether people come from Christian, Jewish, or Hindu backgrounds, as long as they append the attendance with "of course, I no longer believe. i just go to meet friends/make my parents happy/participate in cultural events." This is the research side of a medical school. I was very careful to choose a research topic that did NOT require toeing the Darwinian evolutionist line. Many know I am Christian, I am a Creationist, and I am educated enough to argue against Darwinian myths of origins from a secular feminist perspective. but as a student, I do have to proceed cautiously.

John said...

"You can be a Christian. Just not, you know, out loud. Or in public."


"You can be anything else. Anywhere, anytime, any volume you want. You know, anywhere."